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Old 12-10-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I hate these threads when they will not allow a "threaded" display mode. Makes them so hard to follow. Once they get to this point, I usually avoid posting in them.

 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jimj View Post
So I guess I can get a group of people to go protest in some country and demand things and they should just roll over because people like you say it'd be easier and lead to peace?

Breaking it down to basics, Palestinians didn't exist on that land prior to the Jews.
Please. This ridiculous conclusion of yours based on your understanding of my comments only demonstrates how little you are understanding in general.

In the case of any protest, the issue is not simply getting people to protest but the reason(s) people are protesting, why people are protesting, what injustice are they protesting? To confuse these "basics" like you do only makes more people frustrated, because when people are trying to point at injustice and people like you seem distracted by confusion and/or bias, things begin to boil over...
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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Texas is 268,000 square miles, much of it sparsely inhabited.

Israel is 8,000 square miles.

We could buy up 8,000 square miles of Texas. Offer it up to Israelis to make their homeland. We could protect them. They would be safe in our midst.

It would be so much cheaper in the long-run and maybe short-term as well.

At $10,000/acre, https://heritagelandbank.com/announc...ice-land-texas it would cost $80,000,000, give or take.

As we just signed a $38,000,000,000 military aid deal with Israel, we could easily afford to buy up a huge chunk of Texas and offer it as a are safer homeland and still have money left over to build garden villas and plant fruit trees. We could even afford to dismantle holy shrines and reconstruct them over here.
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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Who do you think the US benefits the most from, the Israelis or the Palestinians?
What sort of question and/or rationale is this?

Is the question of right or wrong foreign policy strictly a matter of whether we benefit or not? Does the same apply to our large corporations with respect to social responsibility? Is the question simply one measured by ROI? Money? Benefits?

Or is the question related to which country has provided us more conflict or peace?

Right. Dumb question hardly worth another thought in the context of our foreign policy related to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict...
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:22 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The only hope for peace and stability is compromise based upon a mutual agreement between the two hostile parties.

No mutual compromise, no peace, it's that simple.
“Compromise” has been tried for many decades between Israel and the Palestinians. We know that it doesn’t work.

It’s now time for America to put its foot down and support our ally which is the most democratic nation in the region.
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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So is that what it comes down to?

Perhaps we should do a cost-benefit analysis comparing the financial support we give Israel against the economic benefits.

It the meantime we can screw over the Palestinian Christians because we assume we 'don't make enough money off of them'.
Oops! Posted my comment before reading yours. Exactly. Ditto. Awfully nice to sometimes realize there are others not so blinded by these other odd justifications for treating people badly...
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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Palestine doesn't exist in the Biblical context, Israel and the Jews have and for quite some time, so this is the right thing to do.
This thread is something like contending with mob mentality that won't be satisfied until another innocent victim is strung up from the highest tree, in the name of whatever it is that fuels their lust for more of what they want, right or wrong.

Maybe best I waste no more time and simply get out of the way, because contending with the likes tends to be depressing...
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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The problem...

As long as the "international community" tacitly endorses the notion that the Jews' rights to their national and spiritual cradle are negotiable, it feeds into the Arabs' fantasy that Israel's existence is temporary and thereby destroys any prospects for peace.
The problem is that over time there has not been any productive way to counter the Zionist agenda in any significant way that America has been able to even suggest politically speaking, thanks in large part to AIPAC. Always the ruse of promoting peace negotiations to nowhere has been the politically expedient way to go, for obvious reasons.

Every president since Truman has grappled with this dilemma that has pitted America between doing right and wrong, and every president has had to succumb to the same influence at the great expense of America's international credibility, which today is no doubt at an all time low.
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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The use of Palestinian Christian Muslims to mislead the international community
The Palestinian Christian is oppressed by the Muslims and I think that the Bishop of Jerusalem does not represent the Palestinian Christians because he speaks in terms of office and fear
Just curious before I go...

Are you posting the comments from an objective standpoint or are you by chance biased in any way?

IOWs, are you Jewish? A Zionist? Are you a Palestinian?

Or are you commenting from a neutral standpoint in that regard without such bias?
 
Old 12-10-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Texas is 268,000 square miles, much of it sparsely inhabited.

Israel is 8,000 square miles.

We could buy up 8,000 square miles of Texas. Offer it up to Israelis to make their homeland. We could protect them. They would be safe in our midst.

It would be so much cheaper in the long-run and maybe short-term as well.

At $10,000/acre, https://heritagelandbank.com/announc...ice-land-texas it would cost $80,000,000, give or take.

As we just signed a $38,000,000,000 military aid deal with Israel, we could easily afford to buy up a huge chunk of Texas and offer it as a are safer homeland and still have money left over to build garden villas and plant fruit trees. We could even afford to dismantle holy shrines and reconstruct them over here.
The reverse is even easier and much more feasible. Any of the neighboring Arab countries could give the "Palestinians" an equal amount of land to make their own homeland and they would never miss it. Egypt, Syria, Jordan can all do this. They'd be in the mist of people just like themselves of the same religion and ancestry. They could also be given money for farms, gardens and villas. Shrines and holy places would not need to be dismantled and moved since they are already in these countries. They would be safe in the mist of their fellow Arab Muslims.
See how easy that works?
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