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Yes, quite a few. Generalizations are never a good thing. Few condemn a bad cop here more than I do but that does not mean they all are bad. I've seen more than one take more lip than I would. On a purely personal level my experience is that the prosecutors office is worse than the police department.
I've not seen a local prosecutor that I'd want to be in the same room with. There are many police officers that have helped out people when they needed them. That have put up with things I never would. I've never met a prosecutor that was interested in anything more than themselves. I've had the local prosecutor lie to my face.
"...made a move consistent with reaching towards the waistband..."
Which is interestingly NOT grounds for use of lethal force in the world you and I live in. For us to be justified in killing someone in self defense a lethal threat must be "clear and present" and being directed. If you or I were to shoot an unarmed person is self defense he had better be a 350 pound gorilla who has a record of beating people to death with his bare hands, and even still he had better have actually attacked you with that intent. Witnesses would also probably be needed in order for it to be a clear cut case.
The rules of lethal force for you and I as citizens are quite different from the ROE the cops use. They can kill anyone because they THINK they MIGHT, COULD, make a move (here we go again) "make a move consistent with reaching for a weapon." And when witnesses are needed the blue wall always steps up to cover backs.
Under these rules a 100 pound woman bell ringer for the Salvation Army becomes a "potential threat to officer safety." And the fact she is wearing a uniform would make her a "terrorist threat" as well.
Yes, quite a few. Generalizations are never a good thing. Few condemn a bad cop here more than I do but that does not mean they all are bad. I've seen more than one take more lip than I would. On a purely personal level my experience is that the prosecutors office is worse than the police department.
I've not seen a local prosecutor that I'd want to be in the same room with. There are many police officers that have helped out people when they needed them. That have put up with things I never would. I've never met a prosecutor that was interested in anything more than themselves. I've had the local prosecutor lie to my face.
That is just my experience which is limited.
Most prosecutors would kill their firstborn in order to be friends with cops. I don't know why that happens to so many of them but they idolize cops. There was one who would show up a couple times a week for a 'ride along' and I would get stuck with him for a full shift, it was horrible.
I learned the word 'testily' from one of them when I told him that there was no way that I could testify to what he was asking me because I had no knowledge of it, he said "ok then, don't testify, testily ha ha"
Problem is, police forces will take them because they are ex .mil, and some of these same people are flawed and look at the streets of the USA as the same as they looked at the streets of Fallujah. They treat the citizenry as enemies, right off the bat.
The idea that ex-military make better civilian police needs a very hard analysis.
Which is interestingly NOT grounds for use of lethal force in the world you and I live in. For us to be justified in killing someone in self defense a lethal threat must be "clear and present" and being directed. If you or I were to shoot an unarmed person is self defense he had better be a 350 pound gorilla who has a record of beating people to death with his bare hands, and even still he had better have actually attacked you with that intent. Witnesses would also probably be needed in order for it to be a clear cut case.
The rules of lethal force for you and I as citizens are quite different from the ROE the cops use. They can kill anyone because they THINK they MIGHT, COULD, make a move (here we go again) "make a move consistent with reaching for a weapon." And when witnesses are needed the blue wall always steps up to cover backs.
Under these rules a 100 pound woman bell ringer for the Salvation Army becomes a "potential threat to officer safety." And the fact she is wearing a uniform would make her a "terrorist threat" as well.
Good post. Using that basis, this case we are seeing a straight up murder that any civilian would be getting life.
The idea that ex-military make better civilian police needs a very hard analysis.
It's hard to avoid hiring ex military because the feds and every state give them preference in civil service hiring, which puts them in the top tier of candidates regardless of their qualifications. In a competitive job like law enforcement where you might get 500 candidates for one job that immediately excludes most people who aren't veterans.
So the cops don't kill as many people as criminals.
That's a great comparison to make, really.
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Why is that a better question?
Give it some thought.
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