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Old 12-23-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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If a third grader still believes that a fat man squeezes down a chimney that the kid's home might not even have, the kid is gullible enough to be lied to again by his or her parents and still buy the fairy tale so who cares.
Santa works around the lack of a chimney & his size.

Santa is "magical".

Leave it alone, Scrooge.
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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By third grade, children should have learned enough science to recognize the whole Santa thing (along with other popular myths) is ridiculous. If not, these children were taught to disconnect logic from belief. This could be why America lags the rest of the world in STEM majors.
Yeah. Santa is the cause for that. Are Christian children who grew up believing in Santa the reason for America's lag in STEM majors?

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I like logic and the use of critical thinking. Those who believe in Santa past age 5 will probably grow up to be gullible to conspiracy theories, con artists, fake news, etc...
You're really trying too hard.

I think those who believe in the Welfare Fairy past the age of 5 are the ones who DO grow up to be gullible enough to believe in baloney (Free cell phones, free gas! Hope and Change! You will SAVE money!) & conspiracy theories (Russian Collusion/Vaccinations are Poison - etc.), con artists, love their fake news, etc.
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:32 PM
 
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That is up to a parent to tell them. However, it is impossible for kids to not hear Santa is not real from other kids in school by 3rd Grade. Nothing can be done about that.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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There is no need, none, to lie to a child for the purpose of "innocence and wonderment". Gmafb. I cannot believe the number of people perpetuating this stuff. No wonder religious mythology stays alive. Gullibility is being defended. The teacher should be lauded for actually doing her job.
Do you know how many fairytales and allegories (technically all lies) are told to children? They serve the purpose of telling stories and teaching lessons with some degree of magic and wonderment because at that age that is what is appealing to humans and gets them to absorb the material. Should we go through the schools and throw out all the books that have talking plants and animals, fairy godmothers, flying characters, shape-shifting characters, etc. because none of these things are real? Let's take away their tooth fairy money, abolish Halloween, and burn all Willy Wonka DVDs too because the FDA would never let a candy factory get away with those unsanitary conditions and dangerous experimental products in real life.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:31 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Do you know how many fairytales and allegories (technically all lies) are told to children? They serve the purpose of telling stories and teaching lessons with some degree of magic and wonderment because at that age that is what is appealing to humans and gets them to absorb the material. Should we go through the schools and throw out all the books that have talking plants and animals, fairy godmothers, flying characters, shape-shifting characters, etc. because none of these things are real? Let's take away their tooth fairy money, abolish Halloween, and burn all Willy Wonka DVDs too because the FDA would never let a candy factory get away with those unsanitary conditions and dangerous experimental products in real life.
Kids, all kids, have magical thinking until about age 6 or so. That's part of growing and you can also tie Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development into it.

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/...ical-thinking/

It's part and parcel of early childhood and a way they organize their brains and thought processes.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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By adulthood, people should have learned enough about life to understand that believing in Santa is harmless fun for kids. Yours is the mindset of a fourth grader eager to prove that she knows more than the third graders.
Exactly. Sad state of affairs when we want children to be boring, unimaginative people without a sense of fun and wonder.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: New Yawk
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Santa works around the lack of a chimney & his size.

Santa is "magical".

Leave it alone, Scrooge.
We live in an apartment, so a key is left under the doormat for Santa.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:57 PM
 
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I like logic and the use of critical thinking. Those who believe in Santa past age 5 will probably grow up to be gullible to conspiracy theories, con artists, fake news, etc...
Alrighty then...

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Old 12-23-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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There is no need, none, to lie to a child for the purpose of "innocence and wonderment". Gmafb. I cannot believe the number of people perpetuating this stuff. No wonder religious mythology stays alive. Gullibility is being defended. The teacher should be lauded for actually doing her job.
Her job had zero to do with Christmas or Santa. None.
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Kids, all kids, have magical thinking until about age 6 or so. That's part of growing and you can also tie Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development into it.

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/...ical-thinking/

It's part and parcel of early childhood and a way they organize their brains and thought processes.
Great link. People are blubbering about science, when science shows us that this way of thinking is necessary for human development.
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