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About 40,000 French died DURING the fight for independence. You’re just angry to hear that Africans fought for their freedom and won it. They fought from 1791-1803.
Between 3,000 and 5,000 French men, women and children were killed after independence when the French were threatening to reinstate slavery. The remaining French were seen as threats to the nation and killed.
Funny you’re upset that about 45,000 whites were killed but you’re not concerned that the whites killed over 100,000 Africans during the same time for fighting for their freedom.
Ah, so fighting for freedom from whites who enslaved, beat, rape and kill your people makes one corrupt? Talk about non-existent morals.
It doesnt change the fact that this is eons ago and excuses used by the corrupt elites today to cling to power. They know perfectly well what policies they must implement to develop the country. They are not stupid. Look, just because a person has dark skin color doesnt mean they actually feel any need to give up power and privilege to you. This type of tribalism is phony. They are a different class than you. The people who want change is not the top 0.1% who rule with an iron fist in Haiti. The people who want change are the people without power and status. The ruling class in Haiti dont want change. Change and progress is a threat to them.
It doesnt change the fact that this is eons ago and excuses used by the corrupt elites today to cling to power. They know perfectly well what policies they must implement to develop the country. They are not stupid. Look, just because a person has dark skin color doesnt mean they actually feel any need to give up power and privilege to you. This type of tribalism is phony. They are a different class than you. The people who want change is not the top 0.1% who rule with an iron fist in Haiti. The people who want change are the people without power and status. The ruling class in Haiti dont want change. Change and progress is a threat to them.
Nope, it was not eons ago. Haiti kept paying until 1947.
Extorting $21 BILLION dollars from any nation while simultaneously forcing it to accumulate debt with others to survive is a hole that would take a nations years upon years to recover from.
No one is saying that Haiti doesn’t have a corrupt ruling class. That has been established, particularly with the Duvaliers, as noted before. By the way, not all of Haiti’s rulers have had dark skin and many elite are not dark either. However, the extortion continued for more that half of its current existence.
To claim that it was eons ago is not only false but it is a POOR EXCUSE for the extortion and Haiti is owed approximately $21 billion.
What kind of corrupt and backward nation extorts reparations from former slaves AND their descendants and then REFUSES to return the extorted money? France.
Western superpowers continued their tribalism by supporting the France simply because they were white. That continues to the present day when while they have urged France to return the monies, they respect their choice not to do so.
If you can recognize tribalism is Haiti, then recognize the same tribalism among Europeans and their American descendants, especially in the elite. The ruling classes won’t change. Change and progress has been and still a threat to them, particularly if the progression occurs about people of African origin.
Nope, it was not eons ago. Haiti kept paying until 1947.
Extorting $21 BILLION dollars from any nation while simultaneously forcing it to accumulate debt with others to survive is a hole that would take a nations years upon years to recover from.
No one is saying that Haiti doesn’t have a corrupt ruling class. That has been established, particularly with the Duvaliers, as noted before. However, the extortion continued for more that half of its current existence.
To claim that it was eons ago is not only false but it is a POOR EXCUSE for the extortion and Haiti is owed approximately $21 billion.
What kind of corrupt and backward nation extorts reparations from former slaves AND their descendants and then REFUSES to return the extorted money? France.
Western superpowers continued their tribalism by supporting the France simply because they were white. That continues to the present day when while they have urged France to return the monies, they respect their choice not to do so.
If you can recognize tribalism is Haiti, then recognize the same tribalism among Europeans and their American descendants, especially in the elite. The ruling classes won’t change. Change and progress has been and still a threat to them, particularly if the progression occurs about people of African origin.
But the independent republic of Haiti that eventually emerged in 1804 was never an equal among the brotherhood of Western nations. To the north, the United States, a nation of slaveowners, regarded Haiti, a nation of free blacks, with unvarnished horror and boycotted its merchants.
Meanwhile, France, the spurned former colonial ruler, fumed at its losses. In 1825, with a French flotilla threatening invasion, Haiti was compelled to pay a king's ransom of 150 million gold francs — estimated to be ten times the country's annual revenues — in indemnities to compensate French settlers and slaveowners for their lost plantations. The sum would be later reduced to 90 million gold francs, but that was little consolation: Haiti, in effect, was forced to pay reparations for its freedom.
The debt dates back to when Haiti, then St Dominique, was France's most profitable colony thanks to slavery. In 1791 the slaves revolted, and in 1804, after defeating Napoleon's forces, they founded the world's first independent black republic.
But after independence, French slave owners demanded compensation. In 1825 the French monarch Charles X demanded Haiti pay an "independence debt" of 150m gold francs – 10 times the fledgling nation's annual revenue. The original sum was reduced but Haiti still paid 90m gold francs – about €17bn today – to France. It was still paying off this debt in 1947.
The above is a prime example of the failures of American education system. We need to do better.
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Following Haiti's independence, former French slave-owners submitted detailed tabulations of their losses to the French government, with line items for each of "their" slaves that had been "lost" with Haitian independence. In 1825, the French King, Charles X, demanded that Haiti pay an "independence debt" to compensate former colonists for the slaves who had won their freedom in the Haitian Revolution. With warships stationed along the Haitian coast backing up the French demand, France insisted that Haiti pay its former coloniser 150m gold francs – ten times the fledgling black nation's total annual revenues.
Under threat of a French military invasion that aimed at the re-enslavement of the population, the Haitian government had little choice but to agree to pay. Haiti's government was also forced to finance the debt through loans from a single French bank, which capitalised on its monopoly by gauging Haiti with exorbitant interest rates and fees.
I have nothing against extreme thievery and tribalism on the part of Europeans.
I rather approve of them.
But let's not pretend that those traits aren't universal.
And you seem to carry a grudge towards Europeans.
That suggests to me that you come from a non-European country.
And again, I wonder....why not go back there and make things better?
Complaining about whites in a mostly white country -- well, it just doesn't seem very productive....
If you have nothing against it and approve of it, then why do continue to deny it? Sounds like I lie to me and someone who cannot except the truth.
Sorry, no grudge here. I simply shared the truth about Haiti’s history, which you seem unable to handle.
I live in one predominantly African island in the region from which I descend. I can live wherever I want, especially in the Americas where I have indigenous roots. Guess that you don’t so you’ll need to exit this hemisphere long before me.
Nope, it was not eons ago. Haiti kept paying until 1947.
Extorting $21 BILLION dollars from any nation while simultaneously forcing it to accumulate debt with others to survive is a hole that would take a nations years upon years to recover from.
No one is saying that Haiti doesn’t have a corrupt ruling class. That has been established, particularly with the Duvaliers, as noted before. However, the extortion continued for more that half of its current existence.
To claim that it was eons ago is not only false but it is a POOR EXCUSE for the extortion and Haiti is owed approximately $21 billion.
What kind of corrupt and backward nation extorts reparations from former slaves AND their descendants and then REFUSES to return the extorted money? France.
Western superpowers continued their tribalism by supporting the France simply because they were white. That continues to the present day when while they have urged France to return the monies, they respect their choice not to do so.
If you can recognize tribalism is Haiti, then recognize the same tribalism among Europeans and their American descendants, especially in the elite. The ruling classes won’t change. Change and progress has been and still a threat to them, particularly if the progression occurs about people of African origin.
Its a terrible excuse and is precisely why the elites in Haiti can continue to oppress the people there. The ruling class dont care about skin color like you do. They simply do not. Not in France, not in America. The ruling class care about their own power and status. Hell, the only thing that forced the ruling elite to open up for change, progress and development in France itself was the strategic military threat from other European nations (or so-called "white people" as you would say). As long as there is no neighboring strategic military threat that forces the ruling class to build a strong economy by giving people more freedom, the elites will not open up for progress and instead cling to power through monopolies, corruption and cronyism. Religious elites and propagandists will manipulate the people with nonsense about religious secterianism and skin colors or some other tribal hogwash.
The elites in Haiti dont care about you because you share their skin color. The elites in America dont care about the skin color of Russians, Turks or Nigerians. They care about strategic threats to their power. They will and are gladly willing to support Africans against a power consisting of white people, like the Soviet Union for example. Only people like yourself care about these things, and thats why its so easy to manipulate the masses.
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