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View Poll Results: Who is at fault for the shutdown?
House/Senate Majority Republicans 138 37.50%
Democrats 171 46.47%
Both 59 16.03%
Voters: 368. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-20-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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The vast majority of those directly affected by DACA have literally spent their entire lives in the United States, and know no other home. They don't speak a second language. They are Americans by any yardstick you care to choose. It would be against everything this country has ever stood for to deport them..
Oh, please not this lame argument yet again. Only 1/3 of DACAs came here under the age of 6 so yes they know their homelands and it's culture and language from their parents. Please provide proof that the majority of DACAs don't know their native languages. I'll wait! People often move all over the world and they adapt.


They are not Americans by any stretch of the imagination. That requires citizenship papers. This country does not stand for lawlessness so WTH are you talking about?
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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Those are all things Obama did, not Trump.
Do you really believe this?
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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My husband is a Federal employee (not park service as suggested above). He did not receive back pay in the last shut down. He was furloughed during the shut down and was not paid for those missed days.

Obviously, I don't want to see that happen again, but at the same time, I think it is a joke to propose just another 30 day extension, after we've already had other extensions this fiscal year.

All a temporary approval does is kick the can down the road a few weeks, opening the door to more of this grandstanding b.s. by Congress and the Senate.

We need a budget for the rest of the fiscal year passed NOW, not later.

Also, I blame both sides for not getting that done. At a certain point, Congress needs to stop digging their heels in over party lines and start compromising , even if not everyone is 100% happy with the final result.
The thing is, the dems are so sure they are going to sweep the house and senate during the upcoming primaries, why then can they not just reverse the DACA order then?
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's not rocket science... even a couple of yo-yos at CNN have figured it out:

Why Democrats may be making the wrong bet on the shutdown
Let the Dems suffer the consequences of their own stupid stubbornness in prioritizing foreign law-violators OVER US Citizens and LEGAL immigrants.

They'll go down in flames in the 2018 midterms, exactly as they deserve.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Sounds to me like the Dems have learned how to play ball like the republicans. An estimated 86% of Americans are in favor of DACA, and nobody in his right mind wants to pay to build a wall that won't work. How do you think this will play if the republicans keep harping on the immigrants...?

What leftist biased poll are you quoting? Why would Americans vote against their own interests? No one in their right mind wouldn't complete the 700 mile long wall along the most porous areas of our border already approved by congress in 2006 especially when they have already proven to deter illegal immigration very effectively. Do I need to post those links again? The GOP isn't harping on immigrants. Illegal aliens aren't plain ole immigrants. You and yours need to learn the difference and stop blurring those lines.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Tax cut.....spending bill....can you figure out the difference?
Final passage was 51 votes.

Did all 51 republicans vote yes for funding?
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Anyone know? I have a feeling that if they dont, they will make sure the government does not shut down
Most are independently wealthy so missing a few a checks is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The meeting between the POTUS and the Dems. is leaking out.

It looks like POTUS and Schumer had a deal for a short CR. and the POTUS blew it up again. Seems Mr. Kelly was not happy with the immigration aspect after Schumer and POTUS had a agreement.

Cant make this stuff up POTUS wanted a shut down.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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Final passage was 51 votes.

Did all 51 republicans vote yes for funding?
Did it get 60 in the end for cloture? That's what your saying, yes? Of course not....you're flailing....
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The meeting between Schumer and POTUS getting out. They had an agreement till he left and POTUS started changing his little mind.

Empty Barrel Kelly did not like the DACA provisions.

POTUS got what he wanted a Govt. shut down.
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