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Old 01-19-2018, 10:22 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally he indicated he had proof of illegal wire taps of the Trump campaign.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.04e0f56c3302


How can they deny collecting all the Trump campaign communications? It is a law that the NSA do so in their mass data collection, so it can be used to blackmail politicians to vote a certain way later...
That is all known now.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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Seriously, if they had wiretapped Trumps phones etc without cause it has been a year, it would have made the news, and people would be in jail already. Stop falling for this nonsense.
The "news" media are political weapons first and foremost. Don't expect the truth.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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How can they deny collecting all the Trump campaign communications? It is a law that the NSA do so in their mass data collection, so it can be used to blackmail politicians to vote a certain way later...
That is all known now.
There's a law that requires the NSA to collect all campaign communications so it can later blackmail politicians? Maybe time to adjust the tin foil
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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It will be fun to watch when the indictments come down against Obama and top level officials in his administration.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There's a law that requires the NSA to collect all campaign communications so it can later blackmail politicians? Maybe time to adjust the tin foil

Ya, it is called the Patriot Act Bush signed and the NDAA that Obama signed.


The mass collection of our privacy, is the root of all evil here.
It was used just like we all feared.
January 2016, inspector general report found the NSA violated the very laws designed to prevent abuse, going back to 2011.
In 2016, Obama officials unconstitutionally searched through intelligence on 30,000 U.S. citizens records, up from the previous recently discovered record of 9,500 unconstitutional breaches in 2013.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Ya, it is called the Patriot Act Bush signed and the NDAA that Obama signed.


The mass collection of our privacy, is the root of all evil here.
It was used just like we all feared.
January 2016, inspector general report found the NSA violated the very laws designed to prevent abuse, going back to 2011.
In 2016, Obama officials unconstitutionally searched through intelligence on 30,000 U.S. citizens records, up from the previous recently discovered record of 9,500 unconstitutional breaches in 2013.
Well, that's not what you said.

Is your claim that the NSA violated privacy laws by collecting information on Americans? That is likely true.
Is your claim that the NSA collects all political campaign communications to later blackmail the candidates? That is false.
Is your claim that FISA was abused by the Deep State to trigger the Mueller Investigation? That is tin-foil hat land.

But, you see, when you keep moving the goalposts as you so often do when called out on being verifiably wrong, its tough to keep up with your shifting positions.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Well, that's not what you said.

Is your claim that the NSA violated privacy laws by collecting information on Americans? That is likely true.
Is your claim that the NSA collects all political campaign communications to later blackmail the candidates? That is false.
Is your claim that FISA was abused by the Deep State to trigger the Mueller Investigation? That is tin-foil hat land.

But, you see, when you keep moving the goalposts as you so often do when called out on being verifiably wrong, its tough to keep up with your shifting positions.

Here is your fault... You think it is my claim.
No, I don't hold as much clout as the Inspector General does.
He found it, he isn't claiming it.

I'm reminded of, leading a horse to water.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:46 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yes, except the FISA abuse, even if true, has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. You just fabricated that part.
Except that is what initiated the Mueller "investigation." So, it has everything to do with it, and some on Mueller's team are involved. That's one of the things that makes this so bad.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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Except that is what initiated the Mueller "investigation." So, it has everything to do with it, and some on Mueller's team are involved. That's one of the things that makes this so bad.
ya got proof of that, or are you just saying it cause you think it will magically invalidate Mueller's investigation....

hmm? any proof, or is this just more speculation like the rest of this thread..

proof? or Opinon?
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:51 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Nope. Even if the claim was true (and there is no evidence that it is), this is not a criminal prosecution. It is an investigation. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine does not apply to the existence of an investigation. Go back to law school.
We now know that the FISA warrant was issued based on the phony "dossier." That is no longer in dispute (except maybe by leftists who wish it weren't true). You're way behind in the news. You must be a CNN/MSNBC only viewer.
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