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Answer the question. I didn’t say anything about “caring” one way or the other.
How does the French dissatisfaction with EU membership (that they’ve ALWAYS been at the forefront of) affect us as Americans and why are you Conservatives so giddy about the potential for EU dissolution?
Actually it's very simple. Politics is like a wind. If the winds of change in western Europe blow against illegal immigration or open boarders, then that provides political ammunition against those that support illegal immigration polices or open borders. Liberals and far left supports will no longer be able to use western countries that had an open border policy as an example of how a country should be ran. Instead, those western countries can be used as an example against liberals and far left supports who champion open boarders.
Those western nations with Asian countries like China, Korea, Japan, Singapore, and so forth, then the liberal policies on immigration will be weaken. There will be no support on the international community from rich countries that would in the past support such open boarder policies.
Many members here have called the current policies pursuit by Trump administration as embarrassment, backward or whatever negative comment people wish to use in light of the policies of the other major powers like Germany, France, ect. However, if the policies of those countries changes to be anti-immigration, then the reverse can be applied to the United States. Right supports can use the same tactics left supports use, but unlike the right, there is plenty of ammunition that can be used against people who used the foreign policies of those countries in support of open boarders. Many members of the news media, politicians, and including members on this forum made statements, which can easily be turn against them.
It's not so much that people care about France, Germany, and so forth, but that such countries can longer be used by the left to support their policies for purpose of propaganda, but the right will be able to use them. Overall, a change from left to right policies in Europe will strength the political position of right supports, which is the Republican party. People want to be on the winning side, both common people and politicians. Like a wounded shark, your own will turn against those that support open boarders when it becomes apparent that the continual support of such a policy is losing preposition.
If the Democrats lose badly during the midterm election, it will be very hard for the party to continue supporting their current policies.
But you Conservatives are giddy at the prospect of the EU failing for some strange reason. Weird.
Why shouldn't it fail? That's the real question.
There is no need for the EU other than to funnel money from the wealthier European states to the poorer ones. When you take away that fundamental aspect of the organization, it's basically just a system of trade agreements. And those trade agreements could just as easily be setup on a bilateral basis between the various European countries. Heck, you could even keep the Schengen agreement in place to allow easy passage between the countries.
Most people in France want a referendum on EU membership and less than half say they would vote to stay.
Reading the article in context, the message is somewhat different than the headline. He is talking about the problem with yes/no questions, and adds the below:
"“The French government has previously shown that if French voters don’t do what they are told in a referendum they will keep rerunning it until they get the right answer. "
Why do you right wingers seem to be so happy at the prospect of EU disintegration? You guys were practically throwing parties over Brexit. What’s that all about?
That’s like Canada deciding that they don’t wanna belong to NAFTA anymore, and right wing Europeans celebrating because of it. Of course, Europeans WOULDN’T celebrate it, because they wouldn’t give a damn one way or another.
But you Conservatives are giddy at the prospect of the EU failing for some strange reason. Weird.
Well .....
Quick story here.
During my time in Europe, a bunch of (leftist) Europeans debated me on NAFTA. Basically said it made Mexico poorer.
I asked how in the name of logic could eliminating Tariffs make Mexico poorer?
After a moment of confusion and exchanged glances, one asked, "What's a Tariff?"
There it is.
Re France and the EU. I am with you. Could possibly care less.
The EU is a corrupt thug organization. Think about it, they told the UK that full access to the EU would not be possible once Brexit is completed.
If the EU really cared about the well-being of the UK (which they should, as they are still an allied country with them), why wouldn't they be able to setup bilateral trade deals with them after Brexit? It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But no, the EU has shown that they do not care about the UK... that the UK needs to stay in the "exclusive" club in order to get the deals.
This kind of petty nonsense is why people hate the EU. It's an organization interested only in amassing power.
Isn't it obvious that when UK becomes a non-member, they will lose some of the benefits of being a member?
Isn't it obvious that when UK becomes a non-member, they will lose some of the benefits of being a member?
That's exactly the point I was making. Why do they need to be in some exclusive club to get benefits that could just as easily be arranged outside of that club? There's no reason why, in theory, all European countries couldn't setup bilateral trade agreements with each other, tailored to each of their needs. There's also no reason why they couldn't set up other treaties aimed at improving social/political cooperation (i.e. Schengen agreement).
There is no need for the heavy handed bureaucracy of the EU.
That's exactly the point I was making. Why do they need to be in some exclusive club to get benefits that could just as easily be arranged outside of that club? There's no reason why, in theory, all European countries couldn't setup bilateral trade agreements with each other, tailored to each of their needs. There's also no reason why they couldn't set up other treaties aimed at improving social/political cooperation (i.e. Schengen agreement).
There is no need for the heavy handed bureaucracy of the EU.
Its their club. UK chose to cancel their membership, so they won't have the benefits of being a member. Now UK needs to negotiate their own trade agreements with EU, but obviously EU is holding all the cards.
The most recent poll, I saw in September 2017, 38% wanted to leave 32% want to stay. The rest are undecided.
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