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This is a problem period. Get rid of all lobbying, not just a select few. The NRA is hugely successful because huge numbers of people want and own guns. These people vote religiously<>
Sigh.
First: "Get rid of all lobbying"So, how else will you communicate with your legislature? Lobbying is simply that, done in an organized way. Without being able to communicate with your legislature and executive branch officials you as a citizen are disenfranchised. If I were to properly respond to the lack of knowledge contained in that idea I would be banned.
Second: "The NRA is hugely successful because huge numbers of people want and own guns." Brillant. Much more observant that you seem. You write that like it is a bad thing. A couple of hundred million people, maybe, favor owning guns. If you are not one, don't buy one. Don't infringe the right of those who do want one. It is a given right. There are countries that do not allow gun ownership. Pick one.
Third: "These people vote religiously" Not really. Their priests, pastors, and Rabbis have little to do with how they vote. In addition, according to IRS rules churches can't preach politics. If caught breaking federal laws, religious organizations may have their tax exemption status revoked.
Many gun advocates are unchurched, anyway.
These people vote faithfully. That means they show up every time the polls are open for elections for all levels of government from school board to POTUS. That is why politicians listen to them. What's your record? "Words have meanings"
yeah well, their children could possibly be alive if the school hadn't left Cruz in the school. He was expelled, how come he was back in the school.
How come the police and FBI ignored the reports they were getting on him?
I question, does everyone have ADHD, they're all running around pointing fingers not able to sit down and logically look at this issue and how this could have been avoided in the first place.
Stop for one moment and reflect this....
A kid from Ohio, what was it, a week after this shooting, walked into school, with a gun, and shot himself in the bathroom???? How in the world was he able to get a gun in school...this is the human error....
There are many precautions that can be taken....to avoid a mass shooting...it's the world we live in now....
This deputy froze, sad but true, he froze....his body went into shock mode, he had no control over that....it's what the body does....
There are many border line kids out their right now, if you think this is the exception you are mistaken. I recall the congressman that attempted to get his son committed and couldn't find a resource, the son ended up stabbing his father multiple times.
These situations are common, the authorities don't know at what point they go over the threshold and Besides what options do they have, lock up every teenager that has a history or shows some signs of mental illness.
the depth of the slim the media has poured on this tragedy has been hard for me to fathom. the press are no longer journalists but social justice warriors.
So, you see massacres as social justice issues, and nothing more?
No wonder conservatives are telling the survivors to shut up.
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In the end, it is really just a footnote on this event. The lesson learned here is that the only way to prevent a tragedy like this is by preventing the individual from obtaining a weapon of mass lethality in the first place. The horse is out of the barn at that point, sure you can talk about how rapidly we could take him out and so on, but given the rate of fire of his weapons, he could have still caused a huge amount of carnage first.
exactly, now, why couldn't this happen.
Lets say every gun store, is mandated to have a computer filled with peoples names, and photos....it's a list of people that should not have guns...and this list is updated every time someone new is place on the list. And it includes under aged kids that have been arrested or, visited by police, or are mentally ill and on medication....
So now someone comes in to purchase a gun....especially a gun that only the military or law enforcement should own. that should raise a flag to any gun salesman? Right?
So he checks the computer and sees, this kid is on the list, and says, sorry not today. And then he alerts everyone in law enforcement about the said wanted purchase?
People should really drill down on the root cause of this phenomenon. Look at the majority of school shootings and compare all the shooters. I think you will find that these people were pretty low on the totem pole at school. Harangued, harassed, held back, treated like a cur dog by other students and staff.. Some times a dog will bite...I wonder how many of these kids protesting ever invited the shooter to sit at the lunch table with them
Psychosis is solved by having someone invite you to lunch
For the most part the Sandy Hook survivors were all too young to express themselves thusly and therefore were exempted from this idiotic phenomena, but their parents sure as heck weren't.
God forbid you are actually old enough and aware enough to form an opinion contrary to the accepted insane notion; 'more guns in the hands of Americans making you safer from other Americans with guns'.
If someone is shooting at you would you prefer to be armed or unarmed?
All of which has nothing to do with these kids, who have survived an unspeakable trauma, being ridiculed, accused of lying, and being told to shut up by conservatives.
When you categorize several crazy people to represent all conservatives that only makes you look bad. You start to lose a lot of creditability points when you do that.
I know I'll get hammered for this but he might have been, by staying outside, following procedure. The Sheriff saying that would have been political suicide.
After Columbine, when building entry was delayed for 45 minutes waiting for the SWAT team to arrive, protocol was changed to have the first 3 or 4 responding officers do a team entry. A single officer was not to attempt a solo entry unless he knew exactly where the shooter was and could do so with limited exposure of himself.
If you're correct, which I don't believe you are, it will be political suicide anyway when the truth comes out and he is shown to have lied about it. I expect the Sheriff himself will be resigning/retiring soon.
In any case, I expect more to come. Its like they know their collective systemic/personal failures are so outrageous they better trickle them out or face lynch mobs surrounding govt bldgs.
So, you see massacres as social justice issues, and nothing more?
No wonder conservatives are telling the survivors to shut up.
disagreeing with someone is far from telling them to "shut up". get a dictionary out and look up some definitions if you are having trouble with word meanings.
There are many border line kids out their right now, if you think this is the exception you are mistaken. I recall the congressman that attempted to get his son committed and couldn't find a resource, the son ended up stabbing his father multiple times.
These situations are common, the authorities don't know at what point they go over the threshold and Besides what options do they have, lock up every teenager that has a history or shows some signs of mental illness.
yes, but, if, the school would have had metal detectors, the kid would have probably not been able to enter school, alarms would have gone off, and they could have held the kid until law enforcement came.
Then law enforcement could have pressed charges, sent the kid up and perhaps gotten help for him? NO?
I'm picturing a double door, with a hall in-between with a metal detector, which would go off and hold the kid in that area, which would have bullet proof glass. The metal detector would also alarm the police...when it goes off?
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