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Another question designed to relate political ideology to gun deaths.
It doesn't matter - there are enough gun deaths to go around in both blue and red states. There's nothing the government can do about it because government doesn't have the answer. Good parenting is the answer and government has been the biggest enemy of that with their nanny state mentality.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Well, 578 people died in road accidents over the same period. Where's your outrage?
What we need is an awareness, I have plenty of outrage against neglected issues.
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An interesting aside, did you know that per capita more Americans die on the roads than any other developed country. It makes one wonder how given the US holds #1 in both gun deaths and RTAs whether the cause is common, certainly it should be looked into. Certainly should we not be pursuing the loss of life on the roads as aggressively as by guns, IF, we truly regard human life as important?
I disagree with you here.
We very definitely pursue roadway safety very aggressively, with regulations on the manufacturers of vehicles, driver safety training and rules of the road based upon common sense legislation including speed limits. I don't know why you overlooked that, it is a poor comparison to an industry congress has forbidden the CDC to even study.
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That said, letting you off the hook, we as a nation don't regard human life as important, from the homicide rates of minorities, to road deaths, to easily preventable health issues. We just don't care as demonstrated by our actions, we talk about it, but talk is cheap.
I don't need to be let off of anything, thanks anyway.
I agree we as a society do not value human life. Money? yes, we value money. Wellbeing of our fellows? ... not so much.
As a society we have taken the seven deadly sins and pursue them as if they were virtues.
I don't know where you get your stats from, but the United States is not the number one in murders, in fact it doesn't even make the top 50, nor the top 75, the U.S. comes in at 92nd on the list. Our neighbor to the north comes in at 89th.
Your link wasn't in order. If you click on the " rate " toggle, it puts the list in order from lowest intentional homicides rate per 100,000 to highest.
This makes Canada at 1.68 intentional homicides per 100,000 number 62 on the list.
The Untied States is 4.88 intentional homicides per 100,000 number 126 on the list. Look at the company you're keeping.
Quite a bit of a different than 89 and 92.
Also, keep in mind, this list is for intentional homicides, and as the link says,
"The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[2] The legal definition of "intentional homicide" differs among countries. Intentional homicide may or may not include infanticide, assisted suicide or euthanasia.[3]"
It depends on how you break it down. If you count ALL deaths then there are states with lax gun laws with more deaths. However if you count gun homicides then stricter states edge out in that department. Then you can break it down to cities.
Stronger correlation to poverty, drugs, high population turnover (transience), etc.
Homicide is relatively rare -- why worry only about "gun related death rates" when you're much more likely to be permanently disabled by somebody using their fists or another blunt object? If you want to worry about risk, start at the top, not the bottom.
On the other hand, If I have to live somewhere such that violent crime is unavoidable, I'd prefer a place where "lax gun laws" enable the law-abiding have at least the option of self-defense -- even Chicago allows concealed carry now, as long as you're rich, white, and own a car.
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Stronger correlation to poverty, drugs, high population turnover (transience), etc.
