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Old 03-20-2018, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
Already said it:

Sales tax or VAT are very fair. Income tax and property tax are pure robbery.



What about the people who don't pay property tax?

There's no moral justification to take other people's legally own property with violence/at gunpoint. Property tax is precisely that.
Everyone pays property tax in one way or another, unless they are homeless; people who live in apartments have it built into their rent, the landlord doesn't just swallow it, he passes it on to his renters
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Everyone pays property tax in one way or another, unless they are homeless; people who live in apartments have it built into their rent, the landlord doesn't just swallow it, he passes it on to his renters
Taxes aren't theft anyways the people vote to give elected representatives the power to tax its even in the constitution.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:20 AM
Status: "Moldy Tater Gangrene, even before Moscow Marge." (set 14 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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no its a mental disorder
Unless you have a quote from any of the following:

*American Psychological Association's DSM,
*(UK's) Royal College of Psychiatry's DC-LC,
*(The UN's) ICD-10

then why should anybody take that claim seriously?

Do you really think a five-word transparent attempt at a meme is going to overturn the entire psychiatry profession?
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Taxes aren't theft anyways the people vote to give elected representatives the power to tax its even in the constitution.
It is theft by a mob of 50+%
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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I get what he is saying. Was forced to read the communist manifesto in college and parrot back to my leftist professor on how "wonderful" it was.



As far as for it not being a political system. it is. Communist countries, including the former Soviet Union, had only one politcal party, the communist party.





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You are casting pearls.

Half here will not get what you are saying.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Gotta love it. He looks at a system that eliminates the basic concept of private property, and in the same breath claims it's not a political system.

Is there any limit to the bizarre twists a liberal will go through to try to take stuff away from others?
The entire purpose for communism and its kissing cousin socialism, is to take stuff from some people and turn it over to others. In other words, theft and distribution of stolen goods.

Last edited by Roboteer; 03-20-2018 at 10:28 AM..
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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In short, once the question shifts from outright ownership of wealth-creating properties and to our obligations to fund police, military, and mutually helping each other fund needed projects beyond the ability of the private sector to do so, it’s not about communism any more.

Not So Fast there

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals


You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 55 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. rense.com

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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It is theft by a mob of 50+%
The proper term is "aggravated armed robbery."

Income tax and property tax need the government to bring assault rifles to enforce.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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Everyone pays property tax in one way or another, unless they are homeless; people who live in apartments have it built into their rent, the landlord doesn't just swallow it, he passes it on to his renters
Duh, that would mean the landlords don't pay property tax.

Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden are all Socialist countries.
Never have been, never will be. They are capitalist countries with certain levels of social democratic policies.
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