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Old 07-11-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I'm glad that is helping you for your headaches (and I'll happily give that a try too), but cancer is a whole different beast, especially late stage cancer.
You mentioned headaches and I just mentioned my history. I had so many sinus headaches and now none.

And for cancer Prevention, I'm banking on what I'm taking will do the job. It will all evolve, I have some yrs left in me. The reason I got on the antioxidant in 1995, we were told it MAY prevent cancers.

Being at the right place and keeping an open mind is so much of life.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:06 PM
 
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Doctors and nurses don't push drugs. If that is your perception then you apparently are weak and can't defend yourself...or you're so defensive you misinterpret every conversation that way.

I guess they must not be "pushing" very effectively if drug companies have to spend money to market their drugs on TV! What, those lazy doctors won't do it all for free?!

What I find amazing is that your experiences are 180 degrees different than mine. I had thyroid cancer and since it was removed I have to take Synthroid. Big deal...without it, I die...I'm glad I can take that pill every day. Other than that I developed allergies a few years ago...my doc could have prescribed a bunch of stuff but instead recommended OTC products that are cheap and effective. I'm okay with that. I'm 55 and no one has pushed statins on me. They'd like me to get mammos every year but the recommendation has changed so I do that less often - big deal! No one has ever yelled at me or embarrassed me or refused to see me unless I do it! I'm an educated and informed adult and they treat me like one.

You guys see some crazy doctors and somehow think they're normal and that's your excuse to tear down medicine as a science. Maybe you need to read about all the kids dying because their parents use religion as a reason to avoid medicine - you're one step away from that.
Weak? I have no desire to waste Medicare funds, go to a doctor for Wellness testing, refuse everything they want me to do, and fight with a doctor over it. Why bother going? I don't.

My husband has hypothyroidism and has taken meds for decades. I don't know the name of it, or any other meds he takes. Not my "job". Our younger daughter was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism as a teen. I told them I did not want her treated. She is now 34 and again, was told the same. As a now adult, she can decide for herself, and has chosen to do nothing about it. HER decision. Is it genetic for a parent and a child to have the opposite sides of thyroid problems?

My children are now adults. They can decide for themselves what vaccinations they want for themselves, or their children. Religion? We are all Agnostics. Personally, my decision to not get my own Flu, Pneumonia, Shingles, or TDAP, has nothing to do with Religion. I do not like or trust doctors, or Big Pharms. I don't need any Religious Exemption as an Adult to refuse them.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I knew a man who went to the ER dozens of times and they said he had an anxiety disorder. After several years a doctor finally figured out it was his thyroid. By that time, he had permanent brain damage. He had the behavior of a 12 year old. This man owned his own business and was very successful before the problems.
Thyroid is so OVERLOOKED due to the numbers game the AMA plays.

As I said before the labs, doctors went by symptoms and there are some 66 symptoms due to low thyroid.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Do you agree that every adult over the age of 50 should take statins as a preventive measure?
I agree that Statins and other non-life-saving drugs should not be covered by Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance.

They can alter their diets and Life-Style to change their cholesterol levels, instead of picking my pockets of money.

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Not only that, what would cancer patients have done before opiods even existed? Obviously, they are not the miracle that modern medicine would have us believe they are, we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in. The last thing we need is more drugs. THAT is the point.
You're missing the point. The Court of Public Opinion has deemed opioids are necessary.

About 30 years or so ago, hospitals became keenly interested in something called "patient satisfaction." So, hospitals started surveying patients.

In almost every instance, a hospital's ratings were based on the level of pain experienced by the patients while in hospital. Patients who experienced minimal to no pain were "extremely satisfied" with the quality of care and gave the hospital high marks. Patients who experienced pain were "dissatisfied" with the quality of care and gave the hospital low marks, like "Fair" to "Poor," and the more pain the patient suffered the worse the rating they gave the hospital.

That, is what put you on the path leading to the so-called "opioid crisis," because from it arose the philosophy that no patient should suffer pain, and that is when hospitals started putting policies in place for doctors, and what teaching hospitals started teaching doctors. The pharmaceutical companies merely responded to constant demands by hospitals and doctors to come up with better pain management solutions.
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Mircea: I'm sure hospitals etc are not letting people suffer in pain from surgeries and end of life cancers etc.

It's all those popping the hard core drugs for their arthritis and other issues that can be managed otherwise.

Those opioids are damaging too.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Thyroid is so OVERLOOKED due to the numbers game the AMA plays.

As I said before the labs, doctors went by symptoms and there are some 66 symptoms due to low thyroid.
...most of which are extremely vague, subjective, and overlap with many other health conditions.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:04 PM
 
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They're salespeople...selling their stuff. No different from any other type of "business."
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Mircea: I'm sure hospitals etc are not letting people suffer in pain from surgeries and end of life cancers etc.

It's all those popping the hard core drugs for their arthritis and other issues that can be managed otherwise.

Those opioids are damaging too.
NO, opioids are not damaging, the effort to 'demonize' opioids comes straight from the DEA, they are the reason doctors are too frightened to give scripts for opioids, they fear being raided and having their medical license yanked away.

medicine derived from opium has been used for 1000s of years, wars have been fought over opium...they are effective and do their job. The DEA is not concerned with anyones health or safety, they have their own reason for targeting opioids, has more to do with growing the police state, seizures, and aiding and abetting the drug cartels.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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...most of which are extremely vague, subjective, and overlap with many other health conditions.
If one is wondering why they are always cold or hot, or always tired, or can't lose weight no matter how they try, have a lot of anxiety, have depression, and more and more, it's quite often sluggish thyroid aka HypoT.

Thyroid controls it all and when not working to it's OPTIMUM, we are so off in so many areas.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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They're salespeople...selling their stuff. No different from any other type of "business."
Sales people? They monopolize with their million dollar sales ads. Just turn on your TV and they'll tell you what you NEED from them.
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