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University of Colorado, Boulder, BA (with honors), MS
And you must be a grad from that private Colorado university known by all as a party school for the off-spring of wealthy parents who consider 4 years of hitting the slopes at Telluride and Aspen to be the equivalent of a college education. You have both my condolences and my promise not to reveal to others where you wasted 4 perfectly good years of your life. Or not.
Actually, no. Graduated with honors from Georgia Tech--the 7th best engineering school in the country--in Aerospace engineering (ranked 2nd in the country). Moved to Denver in 2006.
Oh, and the only rightful 1990 national champion (undefeated and no 5th down needed).
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Let us get to the root of the subject which would be The Federalist Papers written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison. In lobbying for adoption of the Constitution over the existing Articles of Confederation, the essays explain particular provisions of the Constitution in detail.
For this reason, and because Hamilton and Madison were each members of the Constitutional Convention, the Federalist Papers are often used today to help interpret the intentions of those drafting the Constitution. I have changed the paragraph spacing to facilitate ease of reading comprehension and the emphasis added is my own.
Your desire to make income taxes a TEMPORARY expedient, SOLELY for the funding of military operations is the product of your own imagination, not the Constitution.
Using the Federalist Papers on a libertarian is like using holy water on a vampire. I much prefer the Anti-Federalist Papers; the anti-federalists knew the Constitution was a usurpation and consolidation of power in the hands of the federal government. Hamilton was the original neocon.
We may say then that this clause [Article 1, Section 8] commits to the hands of the general legislature every conceivable source of revenue within the United States, Not only are these terms very comprehensive, and extend to a vast number of objects, but the power to lay and collect has great latitude; it will lead to the passing a vast number of laws, which may affect the personal rights of the citizens of the states, expose their property to fines and confiscation, and put their lives in jeopardy. It opens a door to the appointment of a swarm of revenue and excise collectors to prey upon the honest and industrious part of the community, [and] eat up their substance... - Brutus – Anti-Federalist 32
^^And we go back to the central theme of the right in this country, that morality is equated to the size of your bank account; rich=good, poor=evil. I'm sorry, I don't subscribe to that type of thinking
Duh, of course!
1. If they earn their money legally, the more money they have, the more contribution they make to the society, and the more moral they are. Bill Gates or Steve Job is more a saint than a million Mother Theresa.
2. If the poor is so virtuous, why their crime rate, particularly, murder rate is so high?
3. If a person doesn't pay taxes and makes no contribution to the society, by definition, that person is a leech. What morality does a leech have?
what happens when companies start giving out company cards as a benefit for working and lowered salaries in return?
That's taxable as income.
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Income from fringe benefits
If you receive fringe benefits for services you render, they are considered taxable income, even if someone else receives them, such as your spouse. These taxable benefits and perks may include:
A company-paid off-site gym membership
A company vehicle for personal use
Holiday gifts in the form of cash or gift certificates from your employer
A certain portion of employer-paid dependent care
Company-paid tuition fees over a certain amount
Company-paid financial counseling fees
Employer-paid group life insurance over a certain amount
people will avoid your flat tax like they avoid other tax, by lobbying congress for execptions
It's not as easy to avoid paying taxes as you think. Don't you think the high-income would do so if they could? Yet, the top 0.1% (minimum income: $2.2 million) pay an average effective federal income tax rate of 27.44%. The top 400 earners (minimum income $126.8 million), even with all the write offs and deductions they can supposedly take still pay an average effective federal income tax rate of 23.13%.
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Duh, of course!
1. If they earn their money legally, the more money they have, the more contribution they make to the society, and the more moral they are. Bill Gates or Steve Job is more a saint than a million Mother Theresa.
2. If the poor is so virtuous, why their crime rate, particularly, murder rate is so high?
3. If a person doesn't pay taxes and makes no contribution to the society, by definition, that person is a leech. What morality does a leech have?
Oh yeah, Charles and David Koch are the shining beacons of morality
Oh yeah, Charles and David Koch are the shining beacons of morality
They provide a lot of jobs. They produce a lot of goods/services that people need. They're definitely major contributors to society. They're not immoral just because you disagree with their political views.
I don't agree with Bill Gates. He donates too money and resources to the rest of the world instead of helping the poor right here in the U.S. Same with Oprah. That doesn't mean they're immoral. We just have different beliefs.
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They provide a lot of jobs. They produce a lot of goods/services that people need. They're definitely major contributors to society. They're not immoral just because you disagree with their political views.
I don't agree with Bill Gates. He donates too money and resources to the rest of the world instead of helping the poor right here in the U.S. Same with Oprah. That doesn't mean they're immoral. We just have different beliefs.
Their company has poisoned groundwater in areas where they have fracked, most notably in Arkansas. That's not moral
My cousin works at a tax place and he tels me folks with big money seem to always be more bitter when they find out they have to pay more. Not aure what the proportion is. But is jt really crippling?
Oh yeah, Charles and David Koch are the shining beacons of morality
Hell, yes!
The Koch brothers have lifted more people out of poverty than a thousand Mother Teresa, and their tax dollars have funded many government programs. How many people have Mother Teresa lifted out of poverty? How much tax has she paid?
Unless you can prove that they made their money illegally, they are the shining beacons of morality.
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Hell, yes!
The Koch brothers have lifted more people out of poverty than a thousand Mother Teresa, and their tax dollars have funded many government programs. How many people have Mother Teresa lifted out of poverty? How much tax has she paid?
Unless you can prove that they made their money illegally, they are the shining beacons of morality.
Mother Teresa? Not so much.
Wow, now I get why I disagree with you so much. You only think money is good, and that anything else isn't.
The Koch's are evil, Mother Theresa was a saint. But in your world, if someone doesn't make a lot of money, then they are evil. I bet you think that Kim Kardashian is more moral than a Salvation Army worker too
Btw, I already mentioned where Koch Industries' fracking has poisoned groundwater. Care to address that?
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