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Old 05-28-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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There is no denying that there was widespread surveillance of the Trump campaign, not just some individuals.

There is no doubt that when all the information comes out we will learn that they were capturing every communication of the Trump campaign, including every detail of the daily operation of the campaign.

The Obama administration leaked highly classified information to undermine Trump, there is ever reason to believe that there were giving details of the Trump campaign to Hillary.
You are mistaken!

 
Old 05-28-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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I’m not sure if this has been covered in this thread but a few days ago in a tv interview, Rudy Giuliani said that truth is relative.

Can you imagine the uproar if a Democrat had said that???

https://www.motherjones.com/media/20...h-is-relative/

Tweet from conservative writer Peter Werner:
Tar and pitchforks.

Good grief, Republican are still bringing up that eight years ago Obama said they could keep their doctor.

Which they could, if the doctor was still on their insurance's preferred provider list.
 
Old 05-28-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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On CNN with Dana Bash, Giuliani: “They are giving us the material. I couldn’t do it if I didn’t have the material. They are giving us the material to do it. We are defending, to a large extent. Remember, Dana, we are defending here. It is for public opinion, because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach, not impeach.”

Whoa, doggies.

Giuliani just gave away that they are actually trying to get their hands on the evidence so they can figure out how to use it to spin public opinion.

Nunes isn't trying to get it for Congressional oversight. It's for obstruction of justice.

Rudy Giuliani makes surreal confession about Donald Trump's impeachment - Palmer Report

Hard to know even where to start here.
 
Old 05-28-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stburr91 View Post
There is no denying that there was widespread surveillance of the Trump campaign, not just some individuals.

There is no doubt that when all the information comes out we will learn that they were capturing every communication of the Trump campaign, including every detail of the daily operation of the campaign.

The Obama administration leaked highly classified information to undermine Trump, there is ever reason to believe that there were giving details of the Trump campaign to Hillary.
This simply is not true.

The intelligence community was tracking Russian agents, not spying on the Trump campaign.


https://twitter.com/lauferlaw/status...10875401580549

Eye opening piece by a former national security analyst.

"The counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump was kicked off by not one, not two, but multiple SIGINT reports which set off alarm bells inside our Intelligence Community."

For example, "Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ – Britain’s NSA), which “first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious ‘interactions’ between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, passed this information on to the U.S. "as part of a routine exchange of information.”

Australia, Germany, Estonia, Poland, France, the Netherlands "all had SIGINT hits that indicated a troubling relationship between Trump and Moscow."

The NSA "increased its efforts to get to the bottom of the mystery regarding the candidate’s Russian ties." By mid-July 2016, “We knew we had a Russian agent on our hands,” as a senior NSA official put it to me recently."

"Above-top-secret reports left no doubt that the Russians were subverting our democracy in 2016—and that Team Trump was a witting participant in the Kremlin’s criminal conspiracy."

“Trump and his kids knew what they were doing, and who they were doing it with,” the NSA official explained.

What Did the FBI Do in 2016 About Russian Connections to Donald Trump? | Observer

Well worth reading and understanding.

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Old 05-28-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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That simply, is not true, no matter how many times you say it.

As for “the Deep State” that is supposedly undermining Trump:

General Michael Hayden on whether a “Deep State”actually exists:
Yeah this "deep state" nonsense has about as much credibility as a zombie sasquatch from outer space.
 
Old 05-28-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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The intelligence community was tracking Russian agents, not spying on the Trump campaign.
Funny they didn't track the Russian agents in the Clinton campaign. The DNC even TOLD the FBI they were hacked by the Russians, remember? Does that mean Clapper and Comey wanted Hillary to lose?

Loony Left is tap dancing as fast as they can. Bigger than Watergate!
 
Old 05-28-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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Yeah this "deep state" nonsense has about as much credibility as a zombie sasquatch from outer space.
To believe in a “Deep State” IMO you have to be heavily into conspiracy theory.

What Mike Hayden said and before him, David Frum have said is that “Deep State” is a synonym for “rule of law”, meaning that it represents how the institutions responsible to carry out functions of government, conduct their business, regardless of which party is in power.

Now you may think that General Hayden is the Deep State, but to me the weakest link in the “Deep State” theory, is for it to exist there would have to be some sort of shadow government, a command structure between different federal agencies to coordinate their activities.

Who’s the boss in such a secret cabal?

Is it Obama?

George W. Bush?

Bill Clinton?

Hillary?

One of the Rothschild family?

The Bilderburg group?

The Easter Bunny?

You may resent unelected bureaucrats, but federal agencies following their own regulations that are based upon corresponding Federal legislation is one helluva a long way from some underground shadow government trying to overthrow “the will of the people”.
 
Old 05-28-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Originally Posted by Bureaucat View Post
To believe in a “Deep State” IMO you have to be heavily into conspiracy theory.

What Mike Hayden said and before him, David Frum have said is that “Deep State” is a synonym for “rule of law”, meaning that it represents how the institutions responsible to carry out functions of government, conduct their business, regardless of which party is in power.

Now you may think that General Hayden is the Deep State, but to me the weakest link in the “Deep State” theory, is for it to exist there would have to be some sort of shadow government, a command structure between different federal agencies to coordinate their activities.

Who’s the boss in such a secret cabal?

Is it Obama?

George W. Bush?

Bill Clinton?

Hillary?

One of the Rothschild family?

The Bilderburg group?

The Easter Bunny?

You may resent unelected bureaucrats, but federal agencies following their own regulations that are based upon corresponding Federal legislation is one helluva a long way from some underground shadow government trying to overthrow “the will of the people”.
I wonder what percentage of people who believe the "deep state" nonsense also believe in the "international Jewish conspiracy". I bet it's a lot.
 
Old 05-28-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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I wonder what percentage of people who believe the "deep state" nonsense also believe in the "international Jewish conspiracy". I bet it's a lot.
You don’t have a complete list of “the other” that we’re supposed to hate without including at least one foreign, Jewish banker.
 
Old 05-28-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Obama knew Russia was trying to influence the 2016 election back in 2014 ... he did nothing.

Why is this about Trump?
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