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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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An effort. And the amount of effort that can be expended when you have a dozen or so officers working one drunk mom with child is quite a bit different than when you have hundreds coming at you every day.

Even if CBP had the resources to make the same "effort" on each of the hundreds coming in daily that a PD can make on occasional arrests, who exactly are they going to place the kids with?

I would agree the govt leaped without looking, and failed to foresee the inevitable propaganda storm that was coming. They should have also been better prepared for the volume of cases that a zero-tolerance policy was going to generate.
If CBP doesn't have the resources to track the kids so they can be reunited with their children then Trump should put down his GD cheeseburger undo what he did when he invoked this policy, dontcha think?

 
Old 06-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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Problem is too many abandon their values to follow their professed leader. First they believe in this leader. Eventually they find a way to justify and defend the atrocities being done by their leader to save face for having "been duped." This is exactly why Jim Jones followers eventually came to the point that they did what they did.

Come back when Mexico pays for your wall!
True. Sadly, I don't think this analogy is that far off from what's happening.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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America is more than a border. America is the very idea of what's right and the expectation of FairPlay we were raised by. The ideas that made us proud to be Americans. The ideas the rest of the world looked up to. I don't intend to let those ideas go down without a fight. So I will keep posting here and I will do my damndest to get out the vote so we can correct this national nightmare.
Voting alone is NOT going to solve this problem though, the people need to rise up and remove this govt from power, not just swap out 'players' on the field.

Its kind of like the American revolution, it took MUCH more than voting/ talking, etc to break free from England, it required breaking laws, resorting to violence, etc etc

Thankfully the Constitution gives the people this duty if their govt should ever become tyrannical...but its up to us to actually put it in motion.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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I am not spinning anything, as my daughter says "calm yourself". I sad I am glad he is doing this. I thought it was horrible if our government was separating young children from parents.
Why congratulate Trump for stopping something he started? And it's not stopped yet.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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Those ideals do not include creating a European-modeled socialist state, funded mostly by the taxes of those who live closer to the real world.

If you want it, you can donate your life's savings to it ….. then join your Left-leaning buds at the end of a long waiting line (just like those you used to see all over the failed Soviet "Experiment").
Nooo. Here, I will type slowly so you can follow along. In America, if you work hard, and follow the societal norms, you can expect to have some amount of success. In America, this has been going on for over two hundred years. This is what the world used to think about us, and what refugees expect when they get here.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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https://www.ice.gov/factsheets/human-trafficking


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) enforces a wide range of crimes related to border security, including investigations of human smuggling and human trafficking. In fact, ICE is one of the primary federal agencies responsible for combating human trafficking.
According to the U.S. Department of State, the United States is a destination country for thousands of men, women, and children trafficked from all areas of the world. These victims are trafficked for the purposes of sexual and labor exploitation. Many of these victims are lured from their homes with false promises of well-paying jobs; instead, they are forced or coerced into prostitution, domestic servitude, farm or factory labor or other types of forced labor.

IF they're "victims" as stated, why should they be considered criminals?
 
Old 06-20-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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Except it was his policy & it has been stated many times. Sessions comes to mind. You haven't been following, have you?
That's just the trick, isn't it? People aren't really following. They listen to the talking heads at Fox News and CNN and nod their heads to go along with their chosen political bias. That's just a problem we have in general. Most people do it on both sides of the political spectrum.

In this particular case, I think Republicans just keep harping on about how "well they broke the law and they deserve it to be prosecuted. Therefore, these kids should be separated from their parents."

Maybe the former is true. But the latter doesn't have to lead from the former. Separating the kids was a tactic. And it is a line that I think sane conservatives think shouldn't be crossed.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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I would highly suggest all that claim Obama wasn't supposed to do what is now being done or that there is no laws actually read the document for yourselves instead of listening to the talking heads. It IS rather enlightening and interesting...

So under Obama, the courts said:

Bolded is where we're at right now btw.
Trump did this and he can undo it. That's the bottom line.
 
Old 06-20-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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and how do you know these are permanent separations? When these people are deported, the children are then deported with them....
There's a new video of five or six little Hispanic girls being escorted in the middle of the night ( i.e, very early this morning) to a foster home agency that specializes in placing immigrant/refugee kids in NYC. The children were speaking Spanish, according to the cameraman who filmed them. They stayed at the agency's office only briefly before being escorted to waiting cars, this time with their faces covered, and driven away to unknown destinations.

American Airlines has just admitted that refugee kids without their parents are being transported via AA from the border to places far away, including NYC and Michigan.

How are these children ever going to find their parents again? The children in the video appeared to be elementary school age, so would know their parents' names - but what about the babies and toddlers? Where are they being taken, and who is caring for them? What kind of records are being kept?
 
Old 06-20-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Maybe this will present an opportunity to fire Jeff Sessions.
Trump fired Tillerson because he wasn't on the same page as Trump, so Jeff Sessions can be fired too.
ahhhh --- interesting.
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