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Old 05-08-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by KenFresno View Post
Duke's offer of an education and room and board is way beneath the market value of what they are providing Duke. These men are at Duke solely to generate income for the university. Not because the university believes that these men deserve an education.
Then they shouldn't be there. Those who are there for an education should have their spots.

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Duke's men's basketball team generated $27 million in revenue. If you assume that half of that generated income is needed for facilities upkeep, doctors and coaching. You are still left with almost a million in generated revenue per player on the team.

This doesn't also take into the account how much free marketing these teams provide for schools, whose value is again probably deep into the millions.

Wanna guess how much Duke's president pulls in a year. $1.2 million. College sports is a capitalist claptrap.
That isn't how our educational system works. The volleyball player gets as much of an opportunity as the basketball player does.
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Old 05-08-2018, 10:59 PM
 
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What many who support paid college athletes do not consider is, once they get a salary, the scholarship goes away. The salary is now taxable which in many cases could end up being a net loss versus a scholarship.
Here is a good read on it;
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Now there has been some debate on giving athletes a small sum of money ( a few hundred bucks a month) just for entertainment and leisure, do to the fact their schedules are so heavy they have no chance to earn any pocket change. Since that includes all athletes in all sports it would only be fair that all athletes get compensated equally.
Yes, it’s called a monthly stipend. My friend’s daughter got one even with a cross country scholarship. I wasn’t sure why, but your explanation makes a lot of sense. I have another friend whose son has a football scholarship at Rice, and his work and practice load is incredible. In the summer, those guys are practicing nine hours a day. I’m sure it’s not a lot better during the season (probably worse actually). They can’t work, and don’t really have a lot of time for entertainment and leisure either.
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:14 PM
 
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Unlike slavery, being involved in the NCAA is voluntary, and many spend a lot of time, hopes, dreams, of being able to do so. I do not think there was any rational slave who actually went out of their way, hoped and dreamed, of being a slave.
The creator of the NCAA system likened it to slavery. So he doesn’t know his own invention better than you? What sport did you play in college?
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:16 PM
 
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Then they shouldn't be there. Those who are there for an education should have their spots.



That isn't how our educational system works. The volleyball player gets as much of an opportunity as the basketball player does.
The volleyball player gets that opportunity BECAUSE OF the basketball player at Duke.
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:28 PM
 
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The volleyball player gets that opportunity BECAUSE OF the basketball player at Duke.
In part. The basketball player is there because of the many, many others there who are paying their way to get an education.

Otherwise the ball player is in some minor league somewhere eating mac and cheese.
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Old 05-09-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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The free education is a moot point in this scenario. The kid likely only attended classes for one semester. He's declared for the NBA draft before completing his first year of college.

That said, it's an NBA rule that the kids have to be one year past high school before they can enter the draft. The NCAA has nothing to do with that. By going to Duke, he go to showcase his talents on what's basically an all-star team with every game being televised and an almost guaranteed deep run in the NCAA tournament. There's a tremendous value in that when it comes to his draft stock. He may not have been paid for his one season at Duke, but that one season at Duke likely made him millions in the upcoming draft. Apparently his mom doesn't comprehend that.
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Old 05-09-2018, 06:37 AM
 
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The creator of the NCAA system likened it to slavery. So he doesn’t know his own invention better than you? What sport did you play in college?
Clearly not.

Byers eventually criticized the monster he helped to create, but it still bears no relation to Slavery.

Now let's work through this:

Wendell Carter just completed his first and seemingly only year at Duke University. Total bill for tuition and room & board: Nothing.

He was recruited and played for one of basketball's greatest coaches in history.

He was on Television probably around 35 times or so.

He was treated like a God everywhere he went and was never short of womanly company.

His team had a very good regular season and earned an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament, pretty much the dream of most basketball players.

His team went to the Elite Eight thus insuring him of an impressive season.

This enabled him to declare for the NBA draft where he will be a high pick.

His first contract will be in the millions. There will also be endorsement deals. If he keeps his head together- and he probably will as he is a smart guy- he will retire a millionaire and move on to coaching or broadcasting if he so desires.

Now desertdetroiter, would you please enlighten us as to how that account bears even the slightest resemblance to Slavery. Really, as a guy who cannot hit a free throw and makes less than Carter's signing bonus, I would love to know.

Please utilize examples throughout your explanation. Please tell us how your average slave on a plantation, beaten, raped, and thoroughly dehumanized was like Wendell Carter.

The court is yours desertdetroiter. Make it a good one. Put that big mouth to good use and spare us your well-known shrugged shoulders act.

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Old 05-09-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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In part. The basketball player is there because of the many, many others there who are paying their way to get an education.

Otherwise the ball player is in some minor league somewhere eating mac and cheese.
Nah...the ball player is generating millions for OTHERS to attend Duke on scholarship or financial aid.

The non athlete students are nearly all on financial aid. Stop it.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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Clearly not.

Byers eventually criticized the monster he helped to create, but it still bears no relation to Slavery. And I would think a whining man such as yourself desertdetroiter would understand how absurd the comparison is.

Now let's work through this:

Wendell Carter just completed his first and seemingly only year at Duke University. Total bill for tuition and room & board: Nothing.

He was recruited and played for one of basketball's greatest coaches in history.

He was on Television probably around 35 times or so.

He was treated like a God everywhere he went and was never short of womanly company.

His team had a very good regular season and earned an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament, pretty much the dream of most basketball players.

His team went to the Elite Eight thus insuring him of an impressive season.

This enabled him to declare for the NBA draft where he will be a high pick.

His first contract will be in the millions. There will also be endorsement deals. If he keeps his head together- and he probably will as he is a smart guy- he will retire a millionaire and move on to coaching or broadcasting if he so desires.

Now desertdetroiter, would you please enlighten us as to how that account bears even the slightest resemblance to Slavery. Really, as a guy who cannot hit a free throw and makes less than Carter's signing bonus, I would love to know.

Please utilize examples throughout your explanation. Please tell us how your average slave on a plantation, beaten, raped, and thoroughly dehumanized was like Wendell Carter.

The court is yours desertdetroiter. Make it a good one. Put that big mouth to good use and spare us your well-known shrugged shoulders act.
Ask nicely. MUCH nicer than in this post and I might just respond.

Again, am I gonna take YOUR word over the creator of the system? Think about that for a moment. He invented the NCAA, and you probably can’t boil a hot dog properly.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Something else for Kylia Carter and desertdetroiter to ponder:



Average Salary of a Minor League Baseball Player: $2,150.00 per month.


Average Salary of a an NBA Developmental League Player: $19,500 or $26,000 per year.


Value of Wendell Carter’s one year at Duke: $72,000 tuition and room & board. Plus numerous travel opportunities, networking opportunities, and the perfect stage to position himself for the NBA draft after which he will earn millions.

If that is Slavery, I will gladly sign on.


Do you need help with the numbers desertdetroiter?
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