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While I do support YouTube's right to remove InfoWars content from its platform, I do NOT support ISPs' right to block users from accessing said content. However, thanks to Trump and the GOP, corporations like Comcast could legally block their subscribers from seeing certain content or could make subscribers pay more for access. It wouldn't surprise me if a SCOTUS case is coming in the medium term future over an issue such as this. Hopefully this makes conservatives think twice about their opposition to net neutrality. It seems to me this is one of those issues where conservatives were against it simply because Obama was for it without really understanding what it meant.
It must be decided which services are to be considered public utilities. Massive platforms like Google, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter might or might not need to be included in that grouping. It is at least worth debating.
The problem is that we're going to get stuck in a cycle.
Step 1 - A new platform arrives and everyone is allowed to talk without inhibition.
Step 2 - Eventually that platform decides that censorship is a good idea and they start banning people.
Step 3 - Political, racial or other bias grabs the wheel and begins to censor people they dislike or disagree with.
Step 4 - Somebody else creates an alternative platform where everyone is once again allowed to speak freely and equally.
Step 5 - The old platform gradually dies as it is abandoned enmasse.
Step 6 - Eventually, the new platform decides that censorship is a good idea and starts banning people and it happens all over again.
We're going stay stuck in that cycle until we figure out a way to stop it. Clearly, Facebook, YouTube and the rest didn't learn the lesson of MySpace. They apparently don't know what the Streisand Effect is. Alex Jones is an awfully kooky guy, but the company he runs really is a news media organization. It should be due the same amount of protection and consideration as the Associated Press, Fox News or CNN. Honestly, Alex Jones is a very strange hill that these platforms have chosen to die on -- but I think there's more to it than that. This is a test to see if they'll get away with it. If it works, you can expect to see all conservative voices booted off of these platforms. Then the Left will start purging their own, deleting everyone guilty of the heresy of wrong-think.
It's an awful bother to have to copy years worth of pictures, posts and profile from one social media site to another, but when one platform dies what choice to you have? Do we really have to do this over and over again?
The problem is this, the case of the Daily Stormer was unique since in a way it incited a riot (promoting Charlottesville) and cheered the killing that resulted from said riot.
That's absurd.
1. It didn't incite a riot.
2. Newspapers like the NYT have incited entire wars, and no one's deplatforming them.
The problem is this, the case of the Daily Stormer was unique since in a way it incited a riot (promoting Charlottesville) and cheered the killing that resulted from said riot.
That is for a court decide, it should not be the arbitrary decision made by a handful of private companies especially for something as basic and essential as a domain registration. Once again if you go go back and read the blog post I referenced earlier his major point is that there is no due process when private companies are making those decisions.
The thing that has be very puzzled: The Democrats and Left-leaning folks on this forum are very concerned that Trump is going to do something like shutdown CNN or the New York Times, etc. Some were very concerned when a little old granny and a room full of Trump supporters heckled Jim Acosta. They think that Trump's blatant disrespect for CNN and MSNBC and the whole lot of them constitutes a threat to the freedom of the press and speech and a threat to the survival of out nation. I can only guess that you're worried that mean words will translate into Trump taking some kind of action to silence all news media that reports negatively on him, but that hasn't actually happened yet.
The Left just did everything so afraid of and now you think it's a fantastic idea. Somebody explain that to me. Seems like it's, "Free speech and freedom of the press for me but not for thee." What am I missing here?
Yes you are missing something... No one or thing is threatening to shutdown INFOwars.com. YouTube has every right to determine business decisions for its resources and certainly Twitter is too.
Again... What you want is hypocritical towards the conservative notion of pro business rights. You want INFOwars and Alex Jones to have entitlements to private resources of YouTube... Are you for or against entitlements to private resources?
Yes you are missing something... No one or thing is threatening to shutdown INFOwars.com.
If cable companies across the nation removed CNN and MSNBC enmasse because they didn't like their politics, would you care? If a wide array of entities removed them from everywhere but cnn.com, what difference would it make? They still have cnn.com so obviously they're not being silenced. If you are only allowed to say whatever you want every second month on the first Tuesday in a predetermined building and room, do you still have freedom of speech?
Consider for just a moment. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, AP, MSNBC and a lot of other Left-biased news media organizations are still being actively invited into the White House press room as a courtesy and not a legal right. What do you think the reaction would look like if Trump just kicked them out? They're freedom to speak isn't being infringed. Their freedom to exist and report the news still exists. They just don't get invited to the question and answer party. Trump has every right to kick them out, so why shouldn't he? It's not anyone else's business after all.
If cable companies across the nation removed CNN and MSNBC enmasse because they didn't like their politics, would you care? If a wide array of entities removed them from everywhere but cnn.com, what difference would it make? They still have cnn.com so obviously they're not being silenced. If you are only allowed to say whatever you want every second month on the first Tuesday in a predetermined building and room, do you still have freedom of speech?
Consider for just a moment. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, AP, MSNBC and a lot of other Left-biased news media organizations are still being actively invited into the White House press room as a courtesy and not a legal right. What do you think the reaction would look like if Trump just kicked them out? They're freedom to speak isn't being infringed. Their freedom to exist and report the news still exists. They just don't get invited to the question and answer party. Trump has every right to kick them out, so why shouldn't he? It's not anyone else's business after all.
Again.. Cable companies are not like websites. They are closer to ISPs. And if the current administration didn't repeal net neutrality, the ISPs couldn't censor websites similar to public utilities.
Learn how the Internet works.
Websites and platforms like Youtube are not public utilities. What's wrong? Liberal snowflakes technically kicked the rights rear ends and the right can't accept it?
How about instead of whining do your part and get the conservatives to band together.
Are you for pro business rights? Or entitlements to private property?
Many of the right conservatives here simply can't answer.
If cable companies across the nation removed CNN and MSNBC enmasse because they didn't like their politics, would you care? If a wide array of entities removed them from everywhere but cnn.com, what difference would it make? They still have cnn.com so obviously they're not being silenced. If you are only allowed to say whatever you want every second month on the first Tuesday in a predetermined building and room, do you still have freedom of speech?
Consider for just a moment. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, AP, MSNBC and a lot of other Left-biased news media organizations are still being actively invited into the White House press room as a courtesy and not a legal right. What do you think the reaction would look like if Trump just kicked them out? They're freedom to speak isn't being infringed. Their freedom to exist and report the news still exists. They just don't get invited to the question and answer party. Trump has every right to kick them out, so why shouldn't he? It's not anyone else's business after all.
Cable companies do choose which channels they will or will not carry.
In any event, like another poster said, they are more like ISPs than content providers. YouTube banning Alex Jones is more like an individual channel refusing to air an infomercial it found offensive.
The regulations are already there in CDA 230. Once they started editing content of a publisher. They lose protections for defamation posted on their site. They can now be sued for what is posted by other people if they don't remove it.
Just like here, if someone defames another and they don't remove it.
Did you know that "editing" is not the same as "removing"? YouTube didn't "edit" Alex Jones's content, they removed it. There is a significant difference between the two.
Congress can damn well make laws to expand the 1st amendment.
They just cannot make laws that reduce it(abridged)
The actual law still doesn't say what you claim it does. Editing does not automatically make them into a content publisher, for one.
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