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Old 08-13-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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It's up to the websites to make those decisions. And evidently it is up to Jones and his fans to whine about it.
But shouldn't TOS apply equally to everyone? If TOS is written out then how can it be left to interpretation?
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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No it doesn't. Where does the 1st amendment say Congress cannot expand Freedom of Speech?
You're not calling for an expansion of freedom of speech, but a restriction on it.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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But shouldn't TOS apply equally to everyone? If TOS is written out then how can it be left to interpretation?
How was it left up to interpretation? Do you have examples of other users that continually disregarded the TOS but didn't get kicked off?
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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But shouldn't TOS apply equally to everyone? If TOS is written out then how can it be left to interpretation?
The Constitution is written out, and it is the job of the courts to interpret it. I don't know why you think writing something removes it from being interpreted. You are interpreting my posts, and they are written out.

Anyway, this is just a red herring.

The point is that these companies are not the government. The content posted on their websites to some degree reflects on them, they have terms of service which everyone agrees to up front before being allowed to post. They determined that Jones violated their terms of service, they notified Jones that he had done so, and Jones tried to get around them to get his content out, so they banned him. It's not government censorship. And the posters wanting the companies to be compelled to post Jones' content aren't defending free speech at all, they are saying that Jones for some reason has a right to be on these websites. He has no such right. And if any new laws were to be passed, the laws would be overturned. Because these websites are the ones exercising their right to free speech when they set the rules, and when they determine someone has violated those rules. Jones is free to seek out a new host website. The websites aren't obligated to accept any posts. This website has frequently deleted and edited my posts. I don't like it, but I tolerate it because I agreed to the terms of service when I became a member.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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But shouldn't TOS apply equally to everyone? If TOS is written out then how can it be left to interpretation?
Their TOS says they may decide to remove, not that it's automatic, for YouTube at least.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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Their TOS says they may decide to remove, not that it's automatic, for YouTube at least.
Well, if the poster suggesting that YouTube selectively enforces its TOS against those with right-leaning political beliefs, it is incumbent on that poster to come up with some examples of left-leaning members who were repeatedly warned that their content violated TOS, continued to violate the TOS (resulting in a suspension), tried to circumvent their suspension by posting the same content through other channels, yet escaped a ban.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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Well, if the poster suggesting that YouTube selectively enforces its TOS against those with right-leaning political beliefs, it is incumbent on that poster to come up with some examples of left-leaning members who were repeatedly warned that their content violated TOS, continued to violate the TOS (resulting in a suspension), tried to circumvent their suspension by posting the same content through other channels, yet escaped a ban.
Yup. And..if you (general) dont like the way a business handles things, show them. Go elsewhere. Really, if the people who are not in favor of this actually did go they could build up another site successfully.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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Well, if the poster suggesting that YouTube selectively enforces its TOS against those with right-leaning political beliefs, it is incumbent on that poster to come up with some examples of left-leaning members who were repeatedly warned that their content violated TOS, continued to violate the TOS (resulting in a suspension), tried to circumvent their suspension by posting the same content through other channels, yet escaped a ban.
Why?

If you want to whine about life being unfair, feel free to do so.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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How do you feel about the TOS being violated by other members of these SM outlets by leftists who are still members and have not been banned? Is that okay?
If they break TOS most times mods themselves have to be notified of it before the post is moderated. Happens on here. Rarely does a mod find a post they need to moderate themselves. If nobody complains, the post cannot be moderated. If it is, then we go to the next step.

Now if it is, it is up to the interpretation of the mod. The problem I see with some places is the whole idea of selective moderating. I have seen some posts on some websites where I posted something similar and get moderated, even hit with a ban but yet others who go worse than I did aren't.

It isn't a simple answer and for years Jones never got the ban hammer but it was a decision that all the platforms wanted to make, but they didn't want to be first to do it. This often happens with a lot of different things.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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Why?

If you want to whine about life being unfair, feel free to do so.
Sure, but don't tell me that some website is unfairly biased unless you have evidence of unfair bias.
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