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"I don't understand. But I don't care, so it works out."
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Originally Posted by lvmensch
It is sad we all find this one so clear. It is actually utterly diaphanous.
She unreasonably and carelessly killed an innocent person. So the guilt is hers.
But as this thread makes clear the rest of us have no collective will on how to deal with it.
Life in prison?
A decade or so to think on her failures?
Treat it as a accident with civil not criminal penalties?
I will climb out on a limb and project a long deliberation likely ended up with a hung jury.
The jurors are not going to do better than the participants here...and we have more than enough to hang the thing forever.
I actually hope I am wrong...
I agree it's likely to be a hung jury also; but my concern is the judge won't allow the jury to hang.
A sequestered jury is statistically likely to just reach consensus, because the ones who are in disagreement get bullied by the others who just want to go home. So they just give up and agree.
BTW: we who have watched this trial on TV know WAY MORE than the jury knows. They were off-scene for all the arguments between the lawyers and the judge about what is/is not admissible for the jury's tender ears. We, who watched this on our computers, know much more than the jury knows. Which is an abomination of the justice system.
I agree it's likely to be a hung jury also; but my concern is the judge won't allow the jury to hang.
A sequestered jury is statistically likely to just reach consensus, because the ones who are in disagreement get bullied by the others who just want to go home. So they just give up and agree.
Or maybe not. In one of the felony trials I was on, when we took the first vote, which was 10 to 2 for guilty, one of the woman voting not-guilty said she would never vote guilty...and then she took out her knitting.
A week later--and after two failed attempts to convince the judge we were hung--everyone who had voted guilty decided they'd rather go home than watch that woman finished her sweater.
Some interesting facts which I didn't know about until recently maybe it was known last year that the Dallas police department deleted text from phones, requested a drug search warrant for Bo Jeans apartment. Amber had texted her BF right after the shooting saying "lets get drunk" LOL
Yeah that will teach her not to accidentally do something bad again. That’s the mentality of the guy who beats his four year old for spilling the milk.
Okay, maybe I'm went overboard. Just the same, I'm scared. I don't want someone walking into my home, "accidentally shooting me", and then potentially getting away with it. This looks very fishy. No one "accidentally" walks into someone else's apartment, especially with electronic doors.
I agree it's likely to be a hung jury also; but my concern is the judge won't allow the jury to hang.
A sequestered jury is statistically likely to just reach consensus, because the ones who are in disagreement get bullied by the others who just want to go home. So they just give up and agree.
BTW: we who have watched this trial on TV know WAY MORE than the jury knows. They were off-scene for all the arguments between the lawyers and the judge about what is/is not admissible for the jury's tender ears. We, who watched this on our computers, know much more than the jury knows. Which is an abomination of the justice system.
I had a little time to watch some of the trial. Here are my takeaways:
-the prosecutor’s opening statement was weak. He spent most of his time explaining away all the exculpatory evidence.
- she should have never testified and her lawyers did her no favors by not objecting to certain questions.
- the defense closing was informative but boring. To be fair, he had to do the judge’s job of telling the jury about all the irrelevant evidence the judge let into the case.
- the judge is terrible. All the stuff about her affair, whether she did cpr, her reaction days after the event, all of it is irrelevant to whether a person could reasonably mistake one apartment for another and whether the victim made her fear for her life.
- I think she’ll get manslaughter but it Will be appealed because of all the irrelevant evidence let in.
I had a little time to watch some of the trial. Here are my takeaways:
-the prosecutor’s opening statement was weak. He spent most of his time explaining away all the exculpatory evidence.
- she should have never testified and her lawyers did her no favors by not objecting to certain questions.
- the defense closing was informative but boring. To be fair, he had to do the judge’s job of telling the jury about all the irrelevant evidence the judge let into the case.
- the judge is terrible. All the stuff about her affair, whether she did cpr, her reaction days after the event, all of it is irrelevant to whether a person could reasonably mistake one apartment for another and whether the victim made her fear for her life.
- I think she’ll get manslaughter but it Will be appealed because of all the irrelevant evidence let in.
Appeals are granted when there has been judicial error in the case. Irrelevant evidence (by your judgment) is not a judicial error, per se.
"Whether a person could reasonably mistake one apartment for another and whether the victim made her fear for her life" are not the only two issues of the case.
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