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Old 09-17-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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Really? You wouldn't notice a bright red rug outside the door? REALLY?! It's not like the hallway was dark. Even IF she missed that she went up one floor too many while parking, and even IF she walked down the hallway to the door thinking it was hers, how on earth are you going to suspend reality and believe that she did NOT see that bright. red. rug. outside the door. You can't miss it! There's a photo of it in the link by the Daily Mail that I provided. You cannot MISS IT!
Red contrary to commonly thought is about the least visually perceptive color being very low on visible spectrum.

People who are not attentive miss all kinds of things. It might be extreme or rare but it's not hard to believe that a person auto-piloted their way to a location ignoring visual cues.


Anyway, if she knew that wasn't her apartment, then why did she go there in full uniform and gear and shot him? We need a plausible motive and an explanation why she didn't try to claim he attacked her.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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But what is the motive?
They have known other than an unverified claim she complained about noise. That's not a convincing motive and doesn't fit in with the other facts.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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The point is: Most anyone would glance up at the apartment number when something was abnormal about the keying process...even given oblviousness to all the previous clues.
That why I've been saying she was negligent all along. But that doesn't make it intentional.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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That why I've been saying she was negligent all along. But that doesn't make it intentional.
That level of negligence is beyond mere "negligence."

Particularly because she then drew her weapon, having made a kill decision, and entered an apartment having been profoundly negligent in making sure she was in the correct location.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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She should have seen and felt the rug underfoot.

But, no, I disagree. If it had been a unique private home, we would all "know where we are."

But you or I or anyone entering an apartment complex with many identical areas--and with us being relatively new residents--would still be noting numerous location clues, even if mostly subconsciously. Any of us would have noted the specific clues that would get us to our specific apartment: Number of turns through the parking garage, for instance.

In this case, the proposition is that this police officer missed every clue, including the unique and glaringly obvious mat, plus the very clear and obvious lighted number sign.

And then wasn't even alerted when the key didn't work or the door was unlocked that she might have been in at the wrong door.

And then made a kill decision!

Let me emphasize that point. When anyone armed draws his or her weapon, a kill decision has been made. You don't draw, you never, ever draw, unless you have determined that you are ready to kill someone.

She passed up all clues, even when the door was operating abnormally, and made a kill decision without even looking to see where she actually was.

That is profound obliviousness to the point of incredulity.
So what are you saying, she knew she was at his apartment and shot him? Why?
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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That level of negligence is beyond mere "negligence."

Particularly because she then drew her weapon, having made a kill decision, and entered an apartment having been profoundly negligent in making sure she was in the correct location.
We don't know when she drew her weapon, if it was after entering the apartment. You don't make a "kill decision" until you actually pull the trigger.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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LMAO, red is specifically used in marketing to attract and retain eyeballs. Cop apologists really need to up their game.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdo...d-logos-2018-5

"The average human can see ten million colors, but red is special. Turns out, it's one of the first colors our ancient ancestors thought important enough to name. Back before alphabets and writing, early human languages were surprising… uncolorful. There were words for "black" and "white' and "red" but not much else. In fact, blue didn't show up until thousands of years later in 200 A.D.
As a result, we have a deeper connection to red than any other color on the spectrum and we react to it in certain ways that actually play to fast food companies' advantage. For starters, researchers have found that red can evoke a sense of urgency. On top of that, it also has an innate ability to whet our appetites. And when you pair those two together you've got the perfect recipe to attract hungry customers who want food, fast."
None of which has any relevance to the visibility of red. Red has the longest wavelength and the least energy of visible colors.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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That level of negligence is beyond mere "negligence."

Particularly because she then drew her weapon, having made a kill decision, and entered an apartment having been profoundly negligent in making sure she was in the correct location.
That's why there is a VERY wide sentencing range for such crimes.

She's going to jail, the question is for how long.

To upgrade the charge past manslaughter you're going to need to prove intent which is going to require a motive.

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Old 09-17-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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We don't know when she drew her weapon, if it was after entering the apartment. You don't make a "kill decision" until you actually pull the trigger.

Actually, not correct. The decision to kill is made when the weapon is drawn. All that is left after that is a pre-determined stimulus: "If I see X, I fire."

Making sure of where the hell you are should come before drawing the weapon.

But of course, this would not be the first time police have killed someone without making sure they were in the right place.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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None of which has any relevance to the visibility of red. Red has the longest wavelength and the least energy of visible colors.
The hall was lighted. And she still would have felt the mat underfoot.
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