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Old 10-12-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Are yo aware that many fetal homicide laws were enacted following Roe v Wade precisely in order to set up the argument you are now making?
Do such fetal homicide laws still exist? Yes, indeed, they do. Has SCOTUS struck them down? No, they have not. Therein lies the conflict. You can't have it both ways. Fetal homicide can't be illegal if abortions are legal based on privacy as SCOTUS has ruled. Filing fetal homicide charges makes a woman's pregnancy a matter of public record thereby violating her right to privacy on which Roe is based.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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See my comment on fetal homicide laws above.

As for assisted suicide, how on earth does that violate privacy?
Same way SCOTUS-condoned legal abortion is based on privacy.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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I'm all in favor of overturning Roe v Wade. No justification for allowing the murder of innocent unborn children. AND don't tell me unborn children are not people. I seem to remember that Scott Peterson, was convicted of killing two people, his wife and his unborn child.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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The hell it doesn't. Who has any right to know a woman is pregnant? Filing homicide charges is a violation of the woman's privacy. It makes the pregnancy a matter of public record.
The fact that NO ONE has a right to privacy about a crime committed against them once it has been reported and/or prosecuted does not dilute or override a woman's right to privacy concerning her healthcare decisions.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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The fact that NO ONE has a right to privacy about a crime committed against them once it has been reported and/or prosecuted does not dilute or override a woman's right to privacy concerning her healthcare decisions.
Actually, it does. The AG can prosecute fetal homicide charges without the pregnant woman's consent, thereby violating her right to privacy. Roe is based solely on right to privacy.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Actually, it does. The AG can prosecute fetal homicide charges without the pregnant woman's consent, thereby violating her right to privacy.
That has nothing to do with violating a woman's right to privacy concerning her healthcare decisions.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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That has nothing to do with violating a woman's right to privacy concerning her healthcare decisions.
You're wrong. It's about the right to privacy regarding a medical condition/status. Women lose that right when a fetal homicide case is prosecuted. Therefore, since the right is demonstrably invalid, the Roe ruling is faulty and should be revisited.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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Same way SCOTUS-condoned legal abortion is based on privacy.
I still don't get you. I can't think of much that more exemplifies privacy than your decision as to whether to keep on living your life in the face of, for instance, terminal cancer.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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I still don't get you. I can't think of much that more exemplifies privacy than your decision as to whether to keep on living your life in the face of, for instance, terminal cancer.
I agree, so why is assisted suicide illegal but killing one's fetus isn't? Both should be protected by the Roe stare decisis of privacy, yet they aren't.

Furthermore, prosecution for fetal homicide lets the cat out of the bag and violates the pregnant mother's privacy by documenting the pregnancy in public records. Why is that allowed?

Time to revisit Roe. It's flawed.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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You're wrong. It's about the right to privacy regarding a medical condition/status. Women lose that right when a fetal homicide case is prosecuted. Therefore, since the right is demonstrably invalid, the Roe ruling is faulty and should be revisited.
Shrug. Fetal homicide is often an accompaniment to femicide. In which case, it has nothing to do with Roe v Wade, but with homicide law.

It's prosecuting a pregnant woman for fetal homicide that should be revisited in light of Roe v Wade. Since those laws often post-date Roe v Wade.
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