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You could use that same argument for reasons to get cars off the highways. Public policies should be based on facts, not anecdotes or emotions.
But we do use that argument for everything...speed limits, seat belt and helmet laws, etc. are all because of that same argument. I could name more, how much time do you have?
Because we have millions if illegals, many of them are known and attend schools, work, etc, and no one comes zipping in to arrest and deport them. That is how I know the laws are not being enforced.
Yes, I am well aware and experienced with the immigration process as my family are immigrants.
I did not read anything about reform, only how to make current illegals legal. No reform is needed, there is a defined process to enter and stay legally in the US, many follow this process, my family and friends did.
You're right I went back to that link and the author was lacking in that information department on 'types of reform' needed to overhaul immigration process.
However, have you have talked to these people, interviewed them at the schools, work, etc and they tell you they haven't a valid visa or green card?
When did your family and friends go through the steps? And what do you think would happen if they had to go through those steps today, under the policies (not laws) the Trump administration has put into place? How many with children, would make it past the dentition centers for children and not get separated?
But we do use that argument for everything...speed limits, seat belt and helmet laws, etc. are all because of that same argument. I could name more, how much time do you have?
As long as your bringing in the facts, I have all day.
You're right I went back to that link and the author was lacking in that information department on 'types of reform' needed to overhaul immigration process.
However, have you have talked to these people, interviewed them at the schools, work, etc and they tell you they haven't a valid visa or green card?
When did your family and friends go through the steps? And what do you think would happen if they had to go through those steps today, under the policies (not laws) the Trump administration has put into place? How many with children, would make it past the dentition centers for children and not get separated?
I derive my information from multiple sources, I can give some if you want, but I do not think you are denying that illegals do work and go to school here, correct?
My family and friends have immigrated over the last couple of decades, and even very recent as in within the last year. Nothing has changed as far as I know, cannot tell you if there are changes behind the scenes, but the forms and process are the same. As far as I know, there has been no changes to the immigration and even tourist visa process. I have an immediate family member going through it now, nothing is different. He soon will be granted his residency visa and fly over here, then will obtain employment, have his green card, and then eventually citizenship.
Those who enter legally are not sent to detention centers. Those who stay legally are not sent to detention centers. Out of the dozens of friends and family that are immigrants, I do not know a single one who ever has been sent to a detention center nor had any issue at all.
I derive my information from multiple sources, I can give some if you want, but I do not think you are denying that illegals do work and go to school here, correct?
My family and friends have immigrated over the last couple of decades, and even very recent as in within the last year. Nothing has changed as far as I know, cannot tell you if there are changes behind the scenes, but the forms and process are the same. As far as I know, there has been no changes to the immigration and even tourist visa process. I have an immediate family member going through it now, nothing is different. He soon will be granted his residency visa and fly over here, then will obtain employment, have his green card, and then eventually citizenship.
Those who enter legally are not sent to detention centers. Those who stay legally are not sent to detention centers. Out of the dozens of friends and family that are immigrants, I do not know a single one who ever has been sent to a detention center nor had any issue at all.
And the hits just keep on coming. So all the reports coming in on the news cycle about those who are migrating in the right way, only to be arrested are false?
And the hits just keep on coming. So all the reports coming in on the news cycle about those who are migrating in the right way, only to be arrested are false?
Asylum seekers are not immigrants, anyone can claim asylum, that does not mean there is merit to it. Claiming asylum is a tactic to delay deportation, and hopefully be released in the US and disappear. Most of the current asylum seekers are not even following established norms by claiming asylum in the first country of safety, they are traveling further to the US. If you were crossing the border illegally got caught, claiming asylum is a good tactic. At that, asylum is a totally different discussion.
And no system is perfect, not a single one in the world. Merely selecting some examples of where the system failed does not mean there is a problem with the entire system. That is like saying your car is broke because you found a door ding, or because one out of a million heart surgeries go bad, heart surgeries itself are bad.
Fact is though there is a process, millions follow it just fine with no issue. If a person wants in the US, then they should follow the legal process. It is pretty clear.
Do you understand what a small percentage of undocumented immigrants commit crimes against other people? You don't have any real data to back up your claims. Pretty much every study says that I am safer around immigrants documented or not than someone born in this country.
If you want to talk about who commits the violent crimes in this country, it is males who were born here. What are we going to do about our gender's violence problem?
Asylum seekers are not immigrants, anyone can claim asylum, that does not mean there is merit to it. Claiming asylum is a tactic to delay deportation, and hopefully be released in the US and disappear. Most of the current asylum seekers are not even following established norms by claiming asylum in the first country of safety, they are traveling further to the US. If you were crossing the border illegally got caught, claiming asylum is a good tactic. At that, asylum is a totally different discussion.
And no system is perfect, not a single one in the world. Merely selecting some examples of where the system failed does not mean there is a problem with the entire system. That is like saying your car is broke because you found a door ding, or because one out of a million heart surgeries go bad, heart surgeries itself are bad.
Fact is though there is a process, millions follow it just fine with no issue. If a person wants in the US, then they should follow the legal process. It is pretty clear.
Asylum seekers are not immigrants, anyone can claim asylum, that does not mean there is merit to it. Claiming asylum is a tactic to delay deportation, and hopefully be released in the US and disappear. Most of the current asylum seekers are not even following established norms by claiming asylum in the first country of safety, they are traveling further to the US. If you were crossing the border illegally got caught, claiming asylum is a good tactic. At that, asylum is a totally different discussion.
And no system is perfect, not a single one in the world. Merely selecting some examples of where the system failed does not mean there is a problem with the entire system. That is like saying your car is broke because you found a door ding, or because one out of a million heart surgeries go bad, heart surgeries itself are bad.
Fact is though there is a process, millions follow it just fine with no issue. If a person wants in the US, then they should follow the legal process. It is pretty clear.
And the articles (so many, too many to post in one c-d post) made that clear, legal processes are/were being followed, by the asylum seekers and also the immigrants. Yet, they have/had to endure irreparable damage, because of those in charge that are tasked with carrying out those polices, (not laws) took liberty to dish out a punishment, where there was not liberty on their part to take.
If after 1,480 people died as a result a failed heart surgery, I would think that doctors would take a step back so as to find out, what went wrong and fix it, before making another attempt. That's just irresponsible, not to.
And this thread is a perfect example of those willing to take a blind eye, to what people are going through. It began with an OP on the Border Patrol agent gone serial killer, to rather focus attention on the immigrants ... asylum seekers, as if they are the blame for the corruption in our government and the agencies tasked to carry out policies (not law) claiming to represent the interests of the American people.
And this is the America you can be proud of?
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 09-19-2018 at 01:44 PM..
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