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Old 09-20-2018, 02:33 PM
 
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In America you have the freedom to believe whatever crazy stuff you want to believe, no matter who gets hurt as a result. It’s written in our constitution.

 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:33 PM
 
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You're telling me your opinion. Which is not supported by facts. I'm providing you with facts. And you are ignoring the facts.

Why would this be cited in the article I linked to?

Officials in Massachusetts were equally insistent that their influential Constitution of 1780 afforded "the most ample liberty of conscience … to Deists, Mahometans, Jews and Christians," a point that Chief Justice Theophilus Parsons resoundingly affirmed in 1810.

https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html
You're just repeating what I said was a philosophy, but it was not based on any practical knowledge of muslims. It did not mean foreigners entering with a foreign religion. In 1790, you had to be white to be a citizen and to participate in government or vote. What are the chances a white person would convert to Islam in 1790s even though philosophically that would be acceptable? Virtually none. You are taking the era out of its context.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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So?
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Would you prefer they take the oath on a book they don’t believe in?
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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Would you prefer they take the oath on a book they don’t believe in?
I would prefer a Somali refugee is not here taking an oath for office period.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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You're just repeating what I said was a philosophy, but it was not based on any practical knowledge of muslims. It did not mean foreigners entering with a foreign religion. In 1790, you had to be white to be a citizen and to participate in government or vote. What are the chances a white person would convert to Islam in 1790s even though philosophically that would be acceptable? Virtually none. You are taking the era out of its context.

Keith Ellison was sworn into an office using a Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson.



Fact: You can be sworn into office using any religious book, or no religious book at all.











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racists feel free to keep it going. Not sure how this got to 13 pages when its clear cut.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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You're just repeating what I said was a philosophy, but it was not based on any practical knowledge of muslims. It did not mean foreigners entering with a foreign religion. In 1790, you had to be white to be a citizen and to participate in government or vote. What are the chances a white person would convert to Islam in 1790s even though philosophically that would be acceptable? Virtually none. You are taking the era out of its context.
And yet, the point still stands. People at the time fully understood that the First protects religions other than Christianity, whether any actual voters were Hindu/Muslim or not. (We know that the First intended to protect Deists, who are not defined as Christian, and Jews.)
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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I would prefer a Somali refugee is not here taking an oath for office period.
We all have preferences. I would prefer that no person in the world feel the need to flee his/her native country. But a legal immigrant has every right to run for office. Regardless of religion. And voters have the right to elect that person. Regardless of religion.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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Interesting. Apparently Obama thought well enough of you to invite you to watch. Obviously, he was mistaken to think well of you.
Why do you find this offensive? it shows all inclusiveness .I see you doubt what went on in private.
 
Old 09-20-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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Why do you find this offensive? it shows all inclusiveness .I see you doubt what went on in private.
Yes, I do indeed doubt the entire story. Pix (unphotoshopped), or it didn’t happen.
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