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Old 10-15-2018, 08:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
Some people just post one side of the argument and from biased sources. Sexual assault isn't all that common. What do you want, every male locked up based on a mere accusation? Feminists complain too much and have it too good.
Numerous studies of men who admitted to rape to back up my post, and I cut half the post because there was too much information disputing your assertion. I've seen nothing from you except silly, baseless claims. Your answer everytime you are shown to be wrong is to whine about feminists. You're the one who is biased and little else, it's clearly apparent from your posting history.

http://www.davidlisak.com/wp-content...tedRapists.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262661/

https://www.jimhopper.com/pdfs/McWhorter2009.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26168230

https://sapac.umich.edu/article/196

https://link.springer.com/article/10...42078.55308.4d

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25900911


This is a direct quote from my post. Clearly, I hold no ill will towards "every male." I love a number of them and respect the rest of the good men out there. I have a problem with rapists, most reasonable people do.

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Fortunately, we know that most men are wonderful people who respect and love women.

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Old 10-15-2018, 09:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by detshen View Post
Numerous studies of men who admitted to rape to back up my post, and I cut half the post because there was too much information disputing your assertion. I've seen nothing from you except silly, baseless claims. Your answer everytime you are shown to be wrong is to whine about feminists. You're the one who is biased and little else, it's clearly apparent from your posting history.

http://www.davidlisak.com/wp-content...tedRapists.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262661/

https://www.jimhopper.com/pdfs/McWhorter2009.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26168230

https://sapac.umich.edu/article/196

https://link.springer.com/article/10...42078.55308.4d

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25900911


This is a direct quote from my post. Clearly, I hold no ill will towards "every male." I love a number of them and respect the rest of the good men out there. I have a problem with rapists, most reasonable people do.
I'm not talking about admitted rapists, which is very rare. I'm talking about mere accusations which you consider rape. You do hold ill will towards any poor sap unfortunate enough to be accused of sexual assault. You're not fooling me.
 
Old 10-15-2018, 10:57 PM
 
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I'm not talking about admitted rapists, which is very rare. I'm talking about mere accusations which you consider rape. You do hold ill will towards any poor sap unfortunate enough to be accused of sexual assault. You're not fooling me.
No, it isn't rare. You continuously post false information and have shown that you don't even read the information that refutes your baseless assertions.

Read the studies, these men admit to raping women. 5-16%, admit to rape. That's large numbers of men and that's just men in college and they admit to doing it repeatedly, which makes for huge numbers of victims. 13% of newly enlisted men in the Navy admit to rape/attempted rape.

They admit to raping women, they clearly state that they knew she did not want to have sex with them and they did it anyway, there were no questions about consent as you keep repeating, they force themselves on women. They rape women repeatedly, which is why so many women have been assaulted.

Multiple studies show over 20% of college women have been sexually assaulted and the most of those were rape/attempted rape. You don't care about the vicitms of sexual assault, and are accusing virtually all of them lying despite the fact that the vast majority never reported the assault. They aren't, according to all the admitted rapists.

You don't care about the women who were raped, that's very clear and it's repugnant. You have not once shown an ounce of consideration for the victims. Fortunately, most men are better people than that.

You aren't fooling anyone.

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Old 10-16-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
Some people just post one side of the argument and from biased sources. Sexual assault isn't all that common. What do you want, every male locked up based on a mere accusation? Feminists complain too much and have it too good.
I see you can't help yourself, now too with wild exaggeration...

How do we go from the accusation of sexual assault to every male getting locked up? You make it sound like women are just out to get men, period. All your comments demonstrate a thinking decidedly suspect of women, as if women should be doubted rather than taken seriously. As if men are the victims, not as inclined to lie about such charges.

You want both sides of the argument? "Innocent until proven guilty," again duh. Yes of course, but lets investigate these charges without bias one way or another. Right? Let's not jump to dumb conclusions like every male getting locked up instead.

Do you personally know even one male who has been accused of sexual assault? I've over 60, and I have known too many men to count, never once hearing about even one being accused of sexual assault. So rather than do the math and conclude as you do, I figure as rare as a sexual assault tends to be, we should tend to take them seriously. Properly investigated without any dark age sexist attitudes prevailing, because that's exactly the problem women have been trying to overcome for way too long now.
 
Old 10-17-2018, 09:16 PM
 
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If you say that 36 yrs ago you hired a housekeeper and rhey stole money from you, but you dont know where the house was, when it was, and the 4 people you say were witnesses all say it didnt happen, and then when asked to come testify, say you cant because you are scared to fly, and it turns out that youve been jetsetting all over the place, and that you hate the political party of the housekeeper, and that you scrubbed your social media before giving a letter to the leader of the political party you like, and then waited until the housekeeper was up gor a promotion...then, there are problems.


Re op...if you do something incredibly stupid and are the victim of crime, while the perp should be held 100 percent accountable, you will probably feel guilt and shame for acting in a manner that made you an easy target.
So for your own safety, you owe it to yourself to take reasonable precautions to avoid becoming a victim. And avoid having people think you were stupid for acting in a manner that made you an easy target. (Note...that isnt to say that taking precautions will prevent all crime...but it will prevent crimes of opportunity).
Your post makes a mockery of sex abuse. A housekeeper stealing money from you doesn't have the shame and accusations against the victim attached to it. There is no reason not to report it.

Dr. Ford does not "hate" the political party of Kavanaugh. She merely belongs to the other major party.

Dr. Ford did not scrub her social media before reporting the incident about the nominee's character.

Dr. Ford reported the incident regarding the nominee's character to Dr. Ford's representative, not, as you say, "the leader of the political party you like." Her representative was the minority chair of the Judiciary Committee...and a woman.

Dr. Ford did her duty in reporting the true past character of the nominee. Any decent citizen who was brave would have done the same.

Dr. Ford was brave, because she knew SHE would be blamed or accused of lying or accused of being "confused." All these things came to pass, as she knew they would.

Dr. Ford had nothing to gain, other than reporting the true character of the nominee, which the country had a right to know.

Dr. Ford took a lie detector test. Kavanaugh would not. Dr. Ford agreed to an FBI investigation into the matter. Kavanaugh would not. An FBI investigation of the matter was not done (although they made a few phone calls, but did not speak to any witnesses....their mission was limited in scope and time by Trump.)

There was a very good reason not to report the incident 35 years ago. Because she was a minor, inexperienced at life, scared to report it or even tell her parents or friends, and she had not been raped. Just molested and kidnapped (held against her will, and hand put over her mouth to stifle her screams). And, things like that were simply not reported, as a rule, back then. Most women know that for a fact.

I was raped in the 1970s. I never told anyone. Not my mother, not my friends, not my boyfriend, and certainly not law enforcement. I blamed myself, and knew that others would also blame me. I was very young. Girls just didn't report things like that, as a general rule. The girls were usually blamed.

Of course Kavanaugh did what the witness said he did. Of course he did. Everyone knows it. It's just that you and some other men are okay with it. He was just a guy being a guy. After all, you guys all voted for a molester to be President, and one who actually cheated on his wife by picking up a porn actress who was selling sex toys in a hotel lobby, for Pete's sake.

So the Republicans have lost all credibility and all morality. Disregard for truth, for facts, for the law.

Kavanaugh went on to lie at the hearing several times about other matters. Didn't matter. After all, you all voted for a pathological liar to be President.

Kavanaugh also showed that he doesn't have the even temperament of someone who should be placed in such a position for life...to show the rest of the country what our respected laws mean, how they should be treated, and a respect for the legal process. Doesn't matter. After all, you all voted for a mean, temperamental, juvenile-acting oaf, to embarrass us around the world.
 
Old 10-17-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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Some people just post one side of the argument and from biased sources. Sexual assault isn't all that common. What do you want, every male locked up based on a mere accusation? Feminists complain too much and have it too good.
Sexual assault is a very common occurrence. Violence against women is real and occurs with regularity.

Trivia fact: Guess what the #1 cause of death of pregnant women is?

Answer: Murder.

I've been assaulted several times in my life. Once was an actual rape, another was a molestation by a doctor, once by a grandfather of a friend who did what Trump bragged about doing, and a few other incidents.

This is part of being female in this country...and I suspect even more so in some other countries.

A "mere accusation" is sworn testimony by an eyewitness. That IS evidence. It's better to have corroborating evidence, but don't forget that the sworn testimony of the victim IS evidence itself. If she's lying, it's a crime she could go to prison for.

That's what Dr. Ford did. She gave sworn testimony, and faced the executioners that she knew would all blame HER. She had nothing to gain. She was merely reporting something important about a S.Ct. nominee's character.

Of course Kavanaugh did what she swore to (and passed a lie detector on). Kavanaugh refused to agree to a lie detector test...or to an FBI investigation of the matter. Dr. Ford agreed to both. That says it all.

Of course he did it. You just think it's okay that he held a minor down and molested her, kidnapping her in the process, and putting his hand over her mouth to stifle her screams. He was, what...just a guy being a guy? He just had too much to drink...poor fellow.

It's tough being a dude. So tough. Any woman he's assaulted could show up just any time! Why would she TELL???

https://youtu.be/b-iFE7Vt3bs
 
Old 10-17-2018, 09:37 PM
 
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Sexual assault is a very common occurrence. Violence against women is real and occurs with regularity.

Trivia fact: Guess what the #1 cause of death of pregnant women is?

Answer: Murder.

I've been assaulted several times in my life. Once was an actual rape, another was a molestation by a doctor, once by a grandfather of a friend who did what Trump bragged about doing, and a few other incidents.

This is part of being female in this country...and I suspect even more so in some other countries.

A "mere accusation" is sworn testimony by an eyewitness. That IS evidence. It's better to have corroborating evidence, but don't forget that the sworn testimony of the victim IS evidence itself. If she's lying, it's a crime she could go to prison for.

That's what Dr. Ford did. She gave sworn testimony, and faced the executioners that she knew would all blame HER. She had nothing to gain. She was merely reporting something important about a S.Ct. nominee's character.

Of course Kavanaugh did what she swore to (and passed a lie detector on). Kavanaugh refused to agree to a lie detector test...or to an FBI investigation of the matter. Dr. Ford agreed to both. That says it all.

Of course he did it. You just think it's okay that he held a minor down and molested her, kidnapping her in the process, and putting his hand over her mouth to stifle her screams. He was, what...just a guy being a guy? He just had too much to drink...poor fellow.

It's tough being a dude. So tough. Any woman he's assaulted could show up just any time! Why would she TELL???

https://youtu.be/b-iFE7Vt3bs
Nothing to gain? No...not almost a million dollars on GFM. Why did none of her "friends" back up her story? Why didn't SHE actually have any information to go on? Why did she wait 30+ years? Why did the Dems using her hold the info for another month instead of right away? Why did she lie about so many things? Why did she act like a bubbly little girl, all laughing and smiling...sure didn't look like she was traumatized to me! Why did the very few things she did say not add up and why did most of her own testimony contradict herself? Why did they try to hide her yearbook info showing what a drunken promiscuous tramp she was?
 
Old 10-17-2018, 11:40 PM
 
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No, it isn't rare. You continuously post false information and have shown that you don't even read the information that refutes your baseless assertions.

Read the studies, these men admit to raping women. 5-16%, admit to rape. That's large numbers of men and that's just men in college and they admit to doing it repeatedly, which makes for huge numbers of victims. 13% of newly enlisted men in the Navy admit to rape/attempted rape.

They admit to raping women, they clearly state that they knew she did not want to have sex with them and they did it anyway, there were no questions about consent as you keep repeating, they force themselves on women. They rape women repeatedly, which is why so many women have been assaulted.

Multiple studies show over 20% of college women have been sexually assaulted and the most of those were rape/attempted rape. You don't care about the vicitms of sexual assault, and are accusing virtually all of them lying despite the fact that the vast majority never reported the assault. They aren't, according to all the admitted rapists.

You don't care about the women who were raped, that's very clear and it's repugnant. You have not once shown an ounce of consideration for the victims. Fortunately, most men are better people than that.

You aren't fooling anyone.
It is relatively rare and not the worst of things. These are just fake statistics. I don't have the interest in taking the time and effort in debunking them, but maybe someone else does.
 
Old 10-17-2018, 11:49 PM
 
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It is relatively rare and not the worst of things. These are just fake statistics. I don't have the interest in taking the time and effort in debunking them, but maybe someone else does.
You mean you can't, because you know they are real. What a joke!
 
Old 10-18-2018, 12:15 AM
 
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You mean you can't, because you know they are real. What a joke!
No I've seen those statistics debunked before and you would've too if you didn't get all your information from liberal feminists sources .
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