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Old 10-04-2018, 01:18 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Trump is successful not because most Americans are Christian conservatives who oppose gay marriage. That is just false - more Americans are atheist or at least non-Christian than ever, gay marriage has gone from a majority against to a majority in support in just a few years, and Trump himself doesn't really care about rolling back gay marriage. He is successful because the left including and especially centrist, wishy-washy Democrats have failed to provide a coherent alternative. Hillary had no real ideas or policy proposals. It was just "I'm with Her" - vote for me because I'm a woman. It's not good enough to not be Trump - you have to actually stand for something.
Anyone who can look at DJT today and think that his election was a positive for this country then they are fools.
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Anyone who can look at DJT today and think that his election was a positive for this country then they are fools.
or successful
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:35 PM
 
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Hey Spottednikes,

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Turn off cnn and msnbc and find less biased news sources.
I hear that you only want to hear news that is biased in Trump's favor
I think you have to hear all sides and do some reasonable thinking.

Trump is bullying other countries because he can, and he is supposedly leader of the free world because of all the presidents that came before him. As this leader he has to be the big brother of the world economy but he is a bull in a china shop.

In the present revamped NAFTA, he has told Canada that he can veto any trade agreements the Canadian government wants to enter. He wants access to vast Canadian resources without anything blocking the USA from taking it when and how they want to. Our country exports 70% of our domestic product to the USA. And we import more from the USA than the USA buys from us. Trump continues to lie that we have taken advantage of the US. What small military force is going to take advantage and risk retaliation from a super-power? Doesn't make any good sense.

He calls out NATO saying we have to increase our military spending beyond what was initially agreed to. He does not tell his own countrymen that NATO, at the 2014 Wales Summit, has already signed an agreement to meet or exceed the 2% spending target by 2024. It's easy to think that all NATO can spend ridiculous amounts on military. He can;t expect NATO to make this investment when he takes GDP away from his allies with tariffs. It is counter productive.
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Old 10-04-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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of course not.


That said, and my questioning of the over the top nature of his claims, sadly as I pointed out in my post, it is not beyond the realm of what some very prominent Democrats/liberals/leftists have said. Cuomo, DeBlasio, Ruth Ginsburg, etc. have all said anti-American comments in the last few years.

Also as you can see from the post quoted below this, many leftists believe exactly what has been espoused by radical anarchists and communists.

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it is hard to understand how you get "communism" from someone suggesting we don't rule our lives by following a flaky old fashioned constitution....

We have reached a point where trump supporters are simply shouting "communists" "socialist" instead of making valid reasonable points.
Never in my lifetime have I read, heard or watched so many prominent people espouse disdain for our constitutional republic and democratic way of life. Even though I never have given much credence to Hollywood types, they use to keep their communist/socialist beliefs to themselves, not get on national TV and social media to promote it.
They seem to enjoy the freedom to say anything they want in public, and not having a communist witch hunt out to get them anymore.
Fine, I agree with that.
However they do wish to silence those who speak of traditional American values, religious values, etc., when it flies in opposition to their agenda.

But much more disturbing than kooks from the entertainment industry is the actual politicians that do either espouse such beliefs as to be communist light or full blown socialism. Who would have ever believe just a few decades ago that someone like Obama would get elected with his ties to radicals and socialist/communist/anarchist backgrounds. The recent presidency of Bill Clinton would now be considered hard right by the current leaders of the (D) party.

Then the next person in the (D) pipeline was also an Alinsky admirer, and she would not only be very liberal, but would tack even further left to try and get on the left of an avowed socialist, to win her parties nomination?
Heck, had it not been for her collusion with the DNC to scuttle Bernie by pulling some very dirty tricks, he might have gotten the (D) nomination.
At least he was forthright and I could respect him more than the political chameleon named Hillary Clinton.

As it turns out our country fueled on capitalism , individual freedom and ambition is under assault from many more people than ever before. This is not coming from the right in our political system, rather the left.
It has been there as long as I can remember, but never to the point that the inmates of the (D) party (only let out to see the sunlight to get their ilk to vote, then put back into the cell) are now running the show.

So think what you like, by saying the "old fashion flaky constitution that rules our lives", but it is the foundation that made this country into the greatest, most powerful, most generous and most free nation in the course of all human history.


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Old 10-04-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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Both parties are full of scum.
I know it took you a very long time and it's been painful along the way - but I'm glad you and others have finally reached this conclusion
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Old 10-04-2018, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Let me make this quite clear - YOU may have but I have not assaulted anyone

And NO - let's not condition women that in college - boys will be boys.

Good lord. I can't believe folks still expect us to fall in line with this chit.
Ok after college, we used to do mounds of Molly, there were many many encounters at raves, house parties, etc. I cannot tell you how many people at those parties were groped, raped, kissed, or whatever because it was kind of a free-for-all. The people there knew what they were getting into. When I was in college, I was in a fraternity, and we stayed drunk. The ladies we partied with stayed drunk. Things happened and people got naked, did stupid college things, and made out in closets, back yards, toilets, etc.

Everyone there knew what they were putting into their bodies. If you got passed out drunk, you were thrown into a back room to sleep it off. If a boob got touched in the process, it was part of the party. Today's kids party the same way, I would even say to even more of an extreme that we did, but somehow there's a new kind of "victim" out there that got their feelings hurt 3.5 decades ago and suddenly after a life long battle of dealing with being a successful person that's gotten on with their life, suddenly reverts to being a broken person, just in time to stop a political nomination.

And if a girl wants to get freaky, get your freak on. No ones stopping you. Just don't call yourself a victim later on....
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: USA
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Anyone who can look at DJT today and think that his election was a positive for this country then they are fools.
Guess you prefer the country destroying Obama and Bush: Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Syria. Ill take the much more peacefull Trump
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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Hey Spottednikes,



I hear that you only want to hear news that is biased in Trump's favor
I think you have to hear all sides and do some reasonable thinking.

Trump is bullying other countries because he can, and he is supposedly leader of the free world because of all the presidents that came before him. As this leader he has to be the big brother of the world economy but he is a bull in a china shop.

In the present revamped NAFTA, he has told Canada that he can veto any trade agreements the Canadian government wants to enter. He wants access to vast Canadian resources without anything blocking the USA from taking it when and how they want to. Our country exports 70% of our domestic product to the USA. And we import more from the USA than the USA buys from us. Trump continues to lie that we have taken advantage of the US. What small military force is going to take advantage and risk retaliation from a super-power? Doesn't make any good sense.

He calls out NATO saying we have to increase our military spending beyond what was initially agreed to. He does not tell his own countrymen that NATO, at the 2014 Wales Summit, has already signed an agreement to meet or exceed the 2% spending target by 2024. It's easy to think that all NATO can spend ridiculous amounts on military. He can;t expect NATO to make this investment when he takes GDP away from his allies with tariffs. It is counter productive.
Trump is standing up for America.

I used to watch morning Joe. After the election Joe and Mika spewed so much venomous hate on a daily base that I took them off my DVR. I don't need to listen to that crap.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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City-Data has become a toxic cesspool. There is no debate; it's just insult and insult. Makes me sad for my children if this is what the future of political discourse holds.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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City-Data has become a toxic cesspool. There is no debate; it's just insult and insult. Makes me sad for my children if this is what the future of political discourse holds.
Then vote for a moderate 3rd party that reaches across the aisle and helps all Americans.

I can name of 4 dems and 4 repubs right now that would be great leaders for both sides of the spectrum.
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