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Old 10-09-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Trump supporters are fine with this because they just assume its all the minorities that will be harassed this way. They don't care about everyones rights. Just their own. They dont recognize the danger in that even.
This is what you get when you have a culture that says that you aren't a "real American" unless you are white, heterosexual, conservative, and the right kind of Christian. Unfortunately that's where we are. People who aren't white, heterosexual, and Christian don't have constitutional rights because we aren't even real Americans.

 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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Its nothing to do about minorities and everything to do with being guilty until proven innocent.
You know the other person and you can both be right on this one. And are.

Its wrong from a constitutional basis because of the underlying violation of the 4th, AND the racist way it ended up being deployed.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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President Trump tells police chiefs to bring back 'stop and frisk' policies

Coupled with strong vagrancy laws and local stockades and industrial reformatories, this would go a long way toward cleaning up our streets -- and in more ways than one.

Sooo..slave labor and imprisonment of the poor. Yeah that sounds like a great country to live in. Oh wait...wait...no it does not.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Old 10-09-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Sooo..slave labor and imprisonment of the poor. Yeah that sounds like a great country to live in. Oh wait...wait...no it does not.
I think most people in 1958...I mean 2018 would be fine with it as long as it was brown people being enslaved or imprisoned...or urban liberal whites since they are considered traitors to white nationalist movements.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I think most people in 1958...I mean 2018 would be fine with it as long as it was brown people being enslaved or imprisoned...or urban liberal whites since they are considered traitors to white nationalist movements.
Just like most of Team Blue was fine with brown people being drone bombed overseas by a certain Nobel "Peace Prize" winner.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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This is one major reason I don't support President Trump. I picked another candidate over him. Any President who wants Stop and Frisk all over America is an enemy of mine. Any individual who supports Stop and Frisk is an enemy of mine. Period.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:37 PM
 
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Trump supporters are fine with this because they just assume its all the minorities that will be harassed this way. They don't care about everyones rights. Just their own. They dont recognize the danger in that even.
I feel the same way you do. As a Black male, I especially have alot to fear. This is one of the things I have been afraid of with Trump in office. Stuff like this. I understand who S&F would affect the most and what it would violate. It is found to violate the 4th Amendment. Of course, as you say, some people simply do not care. Some people think that as long as they aren't affected, it does not matter. It is not simply a matter of recognizing the danger of it, but simply not caring.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Sooo..slave labor and imprisonment of the poor. Yeah that sounds like a great country to live in. Oh wait...wait...no it does not.
Nobody's going to jail, unless they commit a crime and vagrancy (meaning not so much a lack of means of support, but a refusal to work because not everyone can be offered a low-demand, $50K/yr faux "job") ought to be.

What Should We Do About "Justin"?

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Old 10-09-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Former mayor Guilliani claimed stop and frisk was a part of the strategy used in NYC to reduce crime.

What he fails to mention is that violent crime substantially reduced all over the US, regardless of strategy or no particular strategy used.

Those who study crime patterns have all sorts of theories as to why violent crime declined all over the US b
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