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Old 12-20-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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How are you threatened by a civil war in Syria?
I’m not. However this is about ISIS. Are they defeated or not?
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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Yesterday Putin stated that Trump made the right decision because the American troops are in the country illegally, never having been invited by the Syrian government, as Russian forces were.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Look, I don't disagree that we shouldn't have blundered into most of those conflicts, and we should aim to get out asap.

But given we DID get in there, let's not be stupid about the exit. Actually nail down the objectives for an effective transition and then leave. This is an example of Trump not listening to his generals who have a feel for the situation on the ground right now.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I am a Trumpie, I also answer to Trumplet, Trumpenidiot, and deplorable and whatever 'clever' name you would like.

"Trump had campaigned on a vehement anti-war stance and was a fierce critic of intervention in Syria during Barack Obama's presidency." I liked that stance. I still like it. The US military is overextended, costs too much, and there is no need for the US (given that it is on track to be a net exporter of energy (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/unit...-exporter.html
) to guaranty energy supplies for others at our dime or to run the middle east as a US protectorate. Time to focus on the US economy.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...vows-1.5490349

So as a Trumpie, good job!
This.
I think by now we should have learned what happens when we support so-called "good rebels" in the middle east.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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You realize the Syrian government doesn't want them there?
Correct,the US military went in to support the anti-government freedom movement and the Kurds. But then Russia moved in to support the corrupt authoritarian government, and ISIS moved in (funded by rich Arabs) , and both changed the dynamics.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Our own military commanders disagree with it.

And Putin publicly endorses it.

Well done!
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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That worked so well in 1938.
Difference -- they have been killing each other in the middle east for 1400 years. Nothing we do is really going to change things.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Except Hitler exterminated Jews and invaded Poland starting a world war that killed millions. Trump is pulling us out of conflict in the Middle East that we have no business being involved in. But yeah, comparing him to Hitler definitely is a rational way of thinking.
Yes, the comparison is appropriate in the context, which is making major military decisions while rejecting the warnings of the generals.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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Trump has had a extremely bad week topping off a extremely bad month. How do you change the discussion? You take some sort of military action. Start a war or retreat, it doesn’t matter. As long you get everyone talking about something that doesn’t included Mueller. Leaving Syria is purely a political decision. Trump is doing a classic “Wag the Dog”.
But here you'd rather continue a war of choice/unjust war/illegal war/ just to spite the man and some abstract political gain. My god the stupidity continues. If you lost a son, or had one come home with his testicles shot off, or had one come home with ptsd, or addicted to painkillers, etc. would you still be defending your pro war words?
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:10 AM
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There are probably a few good rational reasons to get our troops out of Syria. You could probably get enough support from Dem and Reps to agree on some workable solution. But as always, Donald Trump does it in a way that he can claim credit for defeating ISIS. Its too late to take back the lie now. It will be revisited during the next election cycle when of course ISIS will still not be defeated.
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