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Old 12-29-2018, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Since you can't or won't acknowledge the color red, or can't or won't hear frequencies above 20kHz. Your trotting out of your pop psych list of distortions is entirely useless don't you? It's an appeal to authority which is always a poor debate strategy, and is dependent on your perception being the correct perception, which I believe is on your list of distorted thinking is it not?

We all perceive things through our lenses of perception, the trick is to determine whose lens is less distorted from actual. Majority plays no part in that determination, because majority is most frequently wrong, fools seldom differing is the almost ubiquitous outcome, NOT, great minds thinking alike.
Exactly, and the methodology for doing so is philosophy (and science, which stems from philosophy) - logic and reason. That's how to determine the objective from the subjective.

Chi has accused us in the past of adhering to religious dogma, but logic and reason is not that. Looking at your own beliefs and removing the logical fallacies and contradictions, you end up an anarchist, plain and simple. That's the foundational reason that I am one.

I used to be a creationist. I remember watching debates where the creationist would argue that "the science, logic, and reason of earthly men" was a religion itself, and the crowd would applaud. I thought it was a great argument at the time.

Fast forward to after I'd learned HOW to think rationally and recognize fallacies, and now I can point out multiple reasons why that's wrong. People have to learn how to think. It's not automatic, unfortunately, and leads to frustrating conversations.

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Old 12-29-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Endless brands of Libertarianism, no diff than Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Greens, nationalists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, whites, blacks, Browns and so on.

Broad labels don’t define.
Exactly. I really prefer to label myself a classical liberal. Separates me from the anarchist and minarchists.

Influences, Locke, Smith, Ricardo, Hobbes, Jefferson, Madison, the Austrian and Chicago schools of economics amongst others.
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Old 12-29-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Exactly, and the methodology for doing so is philosophy (and science, which stems from philosophy) - logic and reason. That's how to determine the objective from the subjective.

Chi has accused us in the past of adhering to religious dogma, but logic and reason is not that. Looking at your own beliefs and removing the logical fallacies and contradictions, you end up an anarchist, plain and simple. That's the foundational reason that I am one.

I used to be a creationist. I remember watching debates where the creationist would argue that "the science, logic, and reason of earthly men" was a religion itself, and the crowd would applaud. I thought it was a great argument at the time.

Fast forward to after I'd learned HOW to think rationally and recognize fallacies, and now I can point out multiple reasons why that's wrong. People have to learn how to think. It's not automatic, unfortunately, and leads to frustrating conversations.
That's what government schools are for.

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Old 12-29-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Exactly, and the methodology for doing so is philosophy (and science, which stems from philosophy) - logic and reason. That's how to determine the objective from the subjective.

Chi has accused us in the past of adhering to religious dogma, but logic and reason is not that. Looking at your own beliefs and removing the logical fallacies and contradictions, you end up an anarchist, plain and simple. That's the foundational reason that I am one.

I used to be a creationist. I remember watching debates where the creationist would argue that "the science, logic, and reason of earthly men" was a religion itself, and the crowd would applaud. I thought it was a great argument at the time.

Fast forward to after I'd learned HOW to think rationally and recognize fallacies, and now I can point out multiple reasons why that's wrong. People have to learn how to think. It's not automatic, unfortunately, and leads to frustrating conversations.
according to Newman Philosophy was the study of all the special sciences.
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Old 12-29-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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That's what government schools are for.

"We will teach you what to think...and maybe a little of how to think, as long as you don't apply it to our rulers."
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Old 12-29-2018, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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according to Newman Philosophy was the study of all the special sciences.
Yep. The mother of all sciences.
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Old 12-29-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That's what government schools are for.

Are private schools any different?
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Old 12-29-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Exactly, and the methodology for doing so is philosophy (and science, which stems from philosophy) - logic and reason. That's how to determine the objective from the subjective.

Chi has accused us in the past of adhering to religious dogma, but logic and reason is not that. Looking at your own beliefs and removing the logical fallacies and contradictions, you end up an anarchist, plain and simple. That's the foundational reason that I am one.

I used to be a creationist. I remember watching debates where the creationist would argue that "the science, logic, and reason of earthly men" was a religion itself, and the crowd would applaud. I thought it was a great argument at the time.

Fast forward to after I'd learned HOW to think rationally and recognize fallacies, and now I can point out multiple reasons why that's wrong. People have to learn how to think. It's not automatic, unfortunately, and leads to frustrating conversations.
God invented science.
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Old 12-29-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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Everyone but extreme Anarchists do.

In both moral and political philosophy, the social contract is a theory or model that originated during the Age of Enlightenment and usually concerns the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler (or to the decision of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights.

It's been noted that Libertarians believe it's OK for the government to protect property rights. You are restricting my ability to expand my empire and using the government to do that.
The real question should be “Is there property right or not? Does your property belong to you or to the ‘society’, and the ‘society’ can take/rob from you without just compensation?”

So what’s your answer?
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Old 12-29-2018, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The real question should be “Is there property right or not? Does your property belong to you or to the ‘society’, and the ‘society’ can take/rob from you without just compensation?”

So what’s your answer?
What is property?

Something you use, something you store, or something you lay claim to?
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