Rand Paul having surgery in Canada (rating, education, program, state)

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by OnOurWayHome

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...da/2568200002/

So odd he would go to a country with socialized healthcare...

It's a private hospital that specializes in non-mesh hernia surgery.


Mesh has a higher incidence if illeo-inguinal neuralgia, which probably spooked him.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Probably less than we pay now. But about that insurance that you had before the ACA, do you remember how little that insurance covered, did you not notice the exclusions, the annual and lifetime limits, the pre-existing condition disclaimers?

Before the ACA, I had a comprehensive Kaiser individual plan with no annual limit and no lifetime cap.

[BruSan]

Haaar, the frenzied tap-dancing has already begun:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newsp...tsR?li=AAggFp5

This hospital is unique only in that it specialises in Hernia repairs as hundreds of other hospitals in Canada specialise in services and treatments rendered from Cancers to Pediatrics. It is within the healthcare system as are all of the hospitals other than those providing cosmetic services and even those would be reimbursed by the single payer system if the treatment was prescribed for a necessary cosmetic repair due to accident or burns.

This suck-wit is implying the hospital is totally private and only available to those who pay "extra". Lying is an art form for these turds.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Sunrise941

Consider yourself lucky. You didn't have a major health event that triggered a rescission:

rescission


The thing about insurance is you don't know how crappy it is until you REALLY need it. That's why we needed honest "gubument" (yes, I'm making fun of people like you) to do a better job of regulation.

actually the government is a major part of the problem..specifically the FDA


the FDA is quite possibly the worst organization in our government and is one of the main reasons that healthcare is so expensive.


our government...will NOT have cheap health care.....NEVER..... everything our government puts its greedy hands on goes to crap


the FDA (our government) is a major part of the problem, along with AMA, AHA, VA, medicare/Medicaid(they are full of denial of service)

I was injured in Iraq..(my back)..the VA (government ) wanted FUSING, would not approve the disc replacement...yet BCBS (private ) would PAY FOR IT overseas (except for travel and lodging)it wasnt until dec 2004 that the fda approved it for single level...still the VA and tricare (government ) would not do it (said it was 'experimental'..even though it had been successful in Europe for nearly 3 decades)...FINALLY I won the battle against the government and had my back surgery in 2007

the lumbar DISC REPLACEMENT surgery was done in Europe for nearly 30 years before the FDA approved for it to be done here

and its BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT (especially the FDA)...believe me government care is not what the basic American wants

its the way the government works....and it sucks
here what I went through:
va patient needs a MRI...the government (va) NOPE use an xray...first time
2. xray doesn't show much..patient needs an MRI...the government (va) use the xray...you have DDD
3. patient doc I am in pain,,are you sure its DDD..doc the xray shows some funny spaces, could be DDD or could be something else...let's ask for a MRI..the government nope lets xray (each xray is RADIATING the person btw)...again funny spacing...must be DDD
4. same
5. same
6. same
7. same
8 same
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15 same
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23 same

23 times with the VA xray...its DDD(degenerative disc disease)


got to the doctor and PAY FOR THE MRI out of pocket...and we find out its... one CRUSHED disc, and 2 ruptured discs....now choices...the government(va) FUSION and still have pain, and limited movement(because at the time the FDA would not allow the replacement that had been being done in europe for 30 years)(the FDA finally approved single level artificial discs in 2004, (the va and tri-care refused saying it was 'experimental"))...or non-government(blue cross) which would have covered me to fly to Europe to get it (minus lodging and the airfair) .....4 years of big pain, before my battle was won against the government

and medicare……. will deny lumbar artificial disc replacement.... not allowed (guess they see no need for people to not have back pain)…. keep in mind this operation has been done, successfully, in Europe for 35 years

the best thing I ever had was that surgery, made me feel 10 years younger..... yet our government says no....

Quote:
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has found that lumbar artificial disc replacement (LADR) with the Charite lumbar artificial disc is not reasonable and necessary for the Medicare population over sixty years of age. Therefore, we are issuing a national noncoverage determination for LADR with the Charite lumbar artificial disc for the Medicare population over sixty years of age. For Medicare beneficiaries sixty years of age and under, there is no national coverage determination, leaving such determinations to be made on a local basis.
https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverag...=AAAAAAAAEAAA&



.....we are behind and more costly, because of GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS












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so a drug, prescribed in Canada(substitute any country), by Canadian doctors, approved in the Canada, is good enough for the Canada, but the FDA says no....is that a correct thing to do....NO.....but it happens all the time


the FDA (our GOVERNMENT) is a big culprit in this mess....and you want more government care....I suggest you really think about it

how is it going to change....when the government keeps renewing patents


let's look at a drug

Viagra-----
40 million men suffer from ED...40 million americans...that's more than the whole populations of the following countries:
Switzerland....8 mill
Canada.....36 mill..............hmm more americans suffer from ED, than there is the entire population of Canada
Denmark.... 5.5 mill
Norway.... 5.3 mill


When it comes to*buying 10 Viagra tablets of 100 milligrams each, costs are as follows at each of these chain pharmacies:in the USA....a tablet that is NEEDED to alleviate the issues of ED
CVS: $696.99 ($69.70 per tablet)
Walgreens: $720.99 ($72.10 per tablet)
Walmart: $691.11 ($69.11 per tablet)

the generic cost in the UK...sildenafil citrate (the active ingredient in Viagra) have fallen from £10 per pill (approximately US$15.30) to around £1 per pill (approximately US$1.53). even less in Canada

yet the FDA (our government) renewed the patent through 2020...meaning its ILLEGAL to sell a generic in the USA...ILLEGAL to import for any other country...even Canada


other examples of medicines approved in other countries, but NOT THE USA
examples:
Nefopam. Injectable non-opioid, non-addicting painkiller, used very often in France for hospitalized patients....NOT FDA approved...


Metamizole...non-opioid, non-addicting painkiller, It is the perfect painkiller in-between of Paracetamol and Opioids. It does not have the serious side effects of nsaids and no dependency issues like Opioids but it has a quite strong analgetic potential also it is spasmolytic and helps a lot with pain after surgery and in surgical emergencies.....used throughout Europe, Canada, Australia....yet...NOT FDA approved...





yet you people keep saying how great these other countries are, and that we are behind.........we are behind, because of GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, and yet the liberals want to push government care

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by pknopp

Do you have a link to that? When I researched the Canadian health care system the law stated that doctors, clinics, etc could NOT accept cash from people in the health care system under any circumstance.

No.


It was in a thread where posters were arguing about deductibles, and Canadians were mentioning that there are no deductibles in the Canadian system. An American felt that that wasn't true, and mentioned that a Canadian colleague was waiting to have surgery until he could save up the amount of 'the deductible'. A Canadian then pointed out that that it couldn't be for a deductible (because they don't exist), but that it would have been for extras (like a private room, for example) that aren't part of the base, and certainly adequate, service that the government pays for....that the Canadian colleague didn't need to save up before having that operation, he just chose to because he wanted the 'extras'/extra amenities.

[Frank DeForrest]

Originally Posted by OnOurWayHome

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...da/2568200002/

So odd he would go to a country with socialized healthcare...

is this an argument for something?

[BruSan]

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

It's a private hospital that specializes in non-mesh hernia surgery.


Mesh has a higher incidence if illeo-inguinal neuralgia, which probably spooked him.

And that differs it from ALL hospitals that might specialize exactly HOW?????? They're all operating within Canada's "socialized" healthcare system, (to use the popular American erroneous descriptor) unless specializing in providing a non-reimbursable service such as bo-tox injections or butt lifts.

There are private hospitals specialising in providing joint replacements, cancer treatments, back/spinal surgeries, eye surgeries etc. and all are getting reimbursed through the single-payer system.

Rand Paul will get flowers sent to him from all corners of Canada just to drive his sorry, stupid azz further into embarrassment. The cards will read 'welcome to the socialized paradise..stay as long as you desire."

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

No.


It was in a thread where posters were arguing about deductibles, and Canadians were mentioning that there are no deductibles in the Canadian system. An American felt that that wasn't true, and mentioned that a Canadian colleague was waiting to have surgery until he could save up the amount of 'the deductible'. A Canadian then pointed out that that it couldn't be for a deductible (because they don't exist), but that it would have been for extras (like a private room, for example) that aren't part of the base, and certainly adequate, service that the government pays for....that the Canadian colleague didn't need to save up before having that operation, he just chose to because he wanted the 'extras'/extra amenities.

The Canadian system is set up so that everyone gets the same service and treatment. If you can buy better treatment then that is no longer the case. They can buy additional insurance for things not covered, such as dental.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Sunrise941

Consider yourself lucky. You didn't have a major health event that triggered a rescission:

rescission


The thing about insurance is you don't know how crappy it is until you REALLY need it. That's why we needed honest "gubument" (yes, I'm making fun of people like you) to do a better job of regulation.

You obviously aren't familiar with Kaiser....nor the particular plan I had.


(yes I'm making fun of you)

[BruSan]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

No.


It was in a thread where posters were arguing about deductibles, and Canadians were mentioning that there are no deductibles in the Canadian system. An American felt that that wasn't true, and mentioned that a Canadian colleague was waiting to have surgery until he could save up the amount of 'the deductible'. A Canadian then pointed out that that it couldn't be for a deductible (because they don't exist), but that it would have been for extras (like a private room, for example) that aren't part of the base, and certainly adequate, service that the government pays for....that the Canadian colleague didn't need to save up before having that operation, he just chose to because he wanted the 'extras'/extra amenities.

Even that argument is specious as there are no deductibles in the Canadian "single payer" system for Canadians. This guy is an American saving up for the deductible his American insurance company demands he pay.

The Hospital and procedure cannot be expected to bill the Canadian single-payer system (Canadians) for his American limited insurance deductible.

An American cannot receive medical services in Canada unless he or his insurance pays for them. If his American insurance is covering a procedure performed in Canada, he will be required to pay whatever deductible portion his American insurance stipulates.

Ooopsy! Misread your post to clarify it was a Canadian he was talking about. In that regard it's correct. Any prescribed treatment with in Canada for a Canadian...there is no deductible required.

SORRY for the knee jerk response.