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I deleted the video-post because it was going off-topic, but I can explain what I mean.
"The left" refers tacitly to the social justice movement and its proponents in mass media and academia. The meaning of this term obviously changes with context, but you can infer from the commentary (and links) which definition I'm alluding to.
The post is just speculation about whether doctors could become targets of political correctness in mass media. There is no subtext to that post which presumes some covert environmentalist conspiracy. I'm not sure how you came to those conclusions.
The topic is cleaning up the mess we are leaving, not some group you are opposed to. Is there a problem in the idea of leaving the world cleaner for the next generations?
The topic is cleaning up the mess we are leaving, not some group you are opposed to. Is there a problem in the idea of leaving the world cleaner for the next generations?
This is where you seem to have misunderstood the topic.
Both sides, by and large, share common goals in a cleaner, safer environment. The debate is not about those who are for pollution versus those who are against pollution. It is about how we define pollution and how best to achieve our common objectives.
Social media has embolden the anti-science, anti-health crowd to the point that they believe a secret conspiracy is pushing climate change science to ruin their lives. Social media is making people mentally ill
This is where you seem to have misunderstood the topic.
Both sides, by and large, share common goals in a cleaner, safer environment. The debate is not about those who are for pollution versus those who are against pollution. It is about how we define pollution and how best to achieve our common objectives.
That's the question I've been asking. You seem to agree with my larger point. People aren't against cleaning up. I agree that *most* people are. So the question is, why the divide?
Social media has embolden the anti-science, anti-health crowd to the point that they believe a secret conspiracy is pushing climate change science to ruin their lives. Social media is making people mentally ill
You make an argument that one of my more intelligent nephews made: it is already too late.
I am still puzzled by those that claim this is all some 'liberal conspiracy', when the 'greenhouse effect' was first articulated by a scientist in 1824, and confirmed by others during the succeeding decades. The thought that our atmosphere traps certain gases was confirmed long before Al Gore, or even his great grandfather.
So now we're supposed to roll back technological progress and the state of economy to 1823 levels?
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NASA reports 2018 was the 4th hottest year ever on record
Are they using actual temperatures, and from what measuring stations?
People will do the right thing by and large regardless of what Exxon says. I've noted that earlier. So I've asked, what solutions are we suggesting and your answer is "Exxon is bad". That is not a solution.
My post about Exxon was not about solutions, it was about defining one of the many obstacles we face in the attempt to turn things around. We must first define the problem in order to arrive at viable solutions. I agree that most folks will "do the right thing," but many posters here long to find enemies and pretend that climatologists are the spawn of satan.
The solutions are going to mean making some major changes from the way we do things now. We need to mobilize in a way the United States did after Pearl Harbour. Our nation did an amazing job of turning a peacetime economy into a wartime one, and by golly we defeated both Germany and Japan. Where there's a will, there's a way. We need to find that will again today.
I think you should start a solutions thread of your own because your message is getting lost in this "Let's all bash global warming" thread.
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According to previous arguments the time has long ago run out, so if so, why bother now?
I bother now because I consider sinking into despair and throwing up my hands and slinking off to be a cop-out, as well as morally reprehensible. I have been blessed to be born a citizen of our great country and to get a wonderful education and live in the most beautiful state in the nation. I feel a duty to "pay it forward," if you will.
As I mentioned in another post, if you are given a 5% chance of success by doing something versus a 0% chance by doing nothing, which would you choose? I choose the former.
I've been wondering for a while if physicians could become the new target of the left.
1. Clinical diagnosis still revolves around probability-based decisions determined by race, sex, socioeconomic class and other background. Even when advanced testing is available. This may be seen by some as contrary or offensive to social justice.
2. Medical training emphasizes routine systematic review of scientific literature (I think the term 'critical appraisal' originates from evidence-based medicine) meaning they are more inclined to think independently on controversial issues, such as climate change.
3. They understand biology relatively unfiltered by political agendas, a priori biases, social trends and other ephemera. On issues such as weight control, even sound medical advice is sometimes interpreted to be rude, byzantine or even disturbing.
My disgust with doctors is all my own, thank-you very much. It has nothing to do with politics.
It is the Trump crowd who glory in their contempt for scientists, specialists of any kind, or anyone with a post secondary education. Trumpers screech "Elitist!" at every single turn. According to them, red-blooded Americans should all move to North Dakota or Nebraska and become coal miners.
The only reason you are defending the poster in question is because he is sprouting garbage you find dear to your own heart. I would bet a million dollars that if he was on the opposite side of the argument, you would be shrieking elitist at him exactly the way you do when someone espouses an opinion that is not congruent with your own.
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