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View Poll Results: Do you believe in man made climate change?
Yes 123 59.42%
No 84 40.58%
Voters: 207. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-28-2019, 06:04 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Yes
It is far less than the left will admit.

It is far more than the right will admit.

PS picking 1850 for the baseline of any comparison of temperature is deliberate manipulation of data. 1850 ended the little ice age. Maybe I want to start all my graphs in 1936. (A freakishly warm year)
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Since the climate changes naturally, constantly, and drastically, how can you tell how much of it is man made, and how much of it is the sun, and nature? What percent is Man's fault?

What will tax revenue do to fix it? What if the natural change amount goes up as it has for millennia?
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:09 AM
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Location: On the Border
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We are a society of specialization. When 90% of climate scientists say we are causing the earth to warm (and considering our large population and the stuff we put in the air) I believe them. You'd have to be a conspiracy theory nut job not too. It's amazing to me how the right wing media has turned such a large portion of our country into such.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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I’ll start. For me it’s an obvious yes. I have read several studies and our world is warming at an alarming rate. I will not be purchasing any beach front property. That’s for sure.

No, move to Nebraska, in a few years the waves will be lapping up onto your front lawn there. There is no question that we humans are destroying this little planet God gave us. We have polluted and poisoned it to the point where things are happening at a much faster rate than the normal events that would occur naturally .

The people who deny the rapid rate of these changes need to open their eyes and start listening to the people who do this stuff for a living, not to some real estate salesman from NYC, who doesn't know his ******* from a hole in the ground.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:11 AM
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Location: On the Border
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Since the climate changes naturally, constantly, and drastically, how can you tell how much of it is man made, and how much of it is the sun, and nature? What percent is Man's fault?

What will tax revenue do to fix it? What if the natural change amount goes up as it has for millennia?
Dunning Kruger. You know better than the guys who spend their whole life looking at this HIGHLY complex situation. Because Rush?

Hint: You don't know better, you're just too ignorant (I mean that in as nice a way as possible) to know you don't know better. To think that all those scientists have a political agenda is just absurd.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Climate change is irrelevant.
Pollution is bad.
American pollution is bad.
European pollution is bad.
Chinese pollution is bad.
Indian pollution is bad.
Renewable and clean energy technology is good.
Science + politics = religion.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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They'll be rioting in the streets next week when they slap a tax on fuel to combat climate change.
They have been doing that in Paris for several months now.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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Yes.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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Maybe 10% of the change is due to man with that being centered in localized areas. Of that we could probably reduce that by 10% with a concerted effort( not just the US) to reduce pollutants. Not just carbon dioxide but water vapor and soot. So that's 1% we could do to make a very small impact.
But that's not going to change the main controlling factors of climate change. Solar patterns, geothermal warming with volcanoes. That's doing a number on ice melt in the Antarctic even if ice is increasing otherwise.
We could make a real impact on global health by reining in chemical companies and GMO usage. But that wouldn't make the obscenely rich even richer and wouldn't decrease the human population.
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Old 01-28-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Maybe 10% of the change is due to man with that being centered in localized areas. Of that we could probably reduce that by 10% with a concerted effort( not just the US) to reduce pollutants. Not just carbon dioxide but water vapor and soot. So that's 1% we could do to make a very small impact.
But that's not going to change the main controlling factors of climate change. Solar patterns, geothermal warming with volcanoes. That's doing a number on ice melt in the Antarctic even if ice is increasing otherwise.
We could make a real impact on global health by reining in chemical companies and GMO usage. But that wouldn't make the obscenely rich even richer and wouldn't decrease the human population.
Three points...How would you suggest that we control water vapor? Increased water vapor is a feed-back effect of a warming planet......Ice is melting everywhere.....Without GMO enhanced crops we couldn't produce enough food to feed the growing population.


ALONG THE COAST of West Antarctica, glaciers are retreating at alarming rates, crumbling as warm waters chew at their fragile edges. Recently, though, evidence has emerged that shows that some of the East Antarctic glaciers have also started on a slow, inexorable backward march that could eventually lead to the loss of even more ice than exists in all of West Antarctica.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...sheet-melting/

Today, Greenland's ice sheets are melting at a rate 50% higher than pre-industrial levels and 33% above 20th-century levels, the scientists found.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/world...wxc/index.html

Over the past three decades of global warming, the oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic has declined by a stunning 95 percent, according the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s annual Arctic Report Card.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/energ...n-you-realize/
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