Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position? (state, million)
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So now you tell me how me and my Mrs were supposed to 'know' about the Muscular Dystrophy exactly?
For the most part, you deserve protection, because genetic predisposition is not a matter of personal choice, but smoking a pack of cigarettes every day is.
I understand the problem here; my father, a farmer, developed multiple myeloma, probably due to overexposure to herbicide. But it's only via research over the long term that threats like this can be identified and mitigated. A system based on equality of result, rather than identification and minimization of risk, has no incentive to do this.
I'm not in the UK, I'm in Canada where health care IS a right. I've had cataract surgery done in a timely manner....Your link talks about incurable eye problems.
Your personal anecdote does not negate the oversight board's (BOSU, in this case) data. UK National Health care has unmet needs with the result of hundreds going blind each year instead of receiving timely appropriate treatment that would have saved their eyesight.
Yes, but you also need to put those 250 people per year in the context of the health service treating hundreds of thousands of patients for glaucoma and AMD each year.
For the most part, you deserve protection, because genetic predisposition is not a matter of personal choice, but smoking a pack of cigarettes every day is.
I understand the problem here; my father, a farmer, developed multiple myeloma, probably due to overexposure to herbicide. But it's only via research over the long term that threats like this can be identified and mitigated. A system based on equality of result, rather than identification and minimization of risk, has no incentive to do this.
Only 'for the most part'? What about policing - would you say some people 'deserve' protection from the police force more than others? If so how would you implement that? Should people that live in the city not be assessed as 'at greater risk' and therefore pay more? Are you not paying for the protection of all the 'gangbangers', vagabonds, thieves and illegal immigrants?
Are you actually making a valid point? We all know what a public service is, I am just wondering why so many Americans are so blind when it comes to healthcare? Its almost like the medical profession want it that way so they can make plenty of profit from the people 'brainwashed' into thinking that public health is some kind of Communist...............................hey wait a minute!
I am not blind about health care. It is one of many things that government and a vast number of people would like to add to the growing list of forced/violent claims on the labor of others.
Obviously, I say no, it should not be added, because I want all forced/violent claims on the labor of others done away with entirely (it's that whole "logical consistency" thing us anarchists are famous for), and I find the immorality of forcing people to labor against their will for a thing greater than any possible immorality of that thing not being done at all. Since you'll likely reply to that statement with a "so you mean..." appeal to ridicule or something, it means this, specific to this topic:
I think people not being able to afford goods and services that can possibly extend their life expectancy is unfortunate, but not immoral; however, I think some percentage of the population being forced to labor on behalf of those who cannot afford those goods and services is unfortunate, tragic, and totally immoral.
That's certainly not the case most of the time in most countries with such systems. Worst case scenario yes that does happen, but then worst case scenario under the US system is that the waiting list is effectively forever if a person doesn't have insurance to cover the surgery.
It is for the lads in the UK that trash their knees as a flooring fitter. The immediately get put on assistance because they cannot work and given reduced rent in a slum house, because they are going to be on hard times for over a year and a half, before they may be able to go back to work.
I have heard the horror stories about selective specialized surgeries in the UK.
Here you are cut on within the week and back to work in less than 3 months.
Children are not capable of "homeschooling themselves" any more than they are capable of driving cars or flying airplanes by themself. Someone needs to notify children's protective services about this kids parents assuming this story is true.
The young man is enrolled in a legitimate homeschooling program endorsed by the state Department of Public Instruction (Education) and we have no problem with that sort of publicly-funded policing. But the fact that you would immediately consider whining to those in a position of authority says a lot about your character and thinking -- or a lack of it.
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Originally Posted by easthome
Only 'for the most part'? What about policing - would you say some people 'deserve' protection from the police force more than others? If so how would you implement that? Should people that live in the city not be assessed as 'at greater risk' and therefore pay more? Are you not paying for the protection of all the 'gangbangers', vagabonds, thieves and illegal immigrants?
That we are -- and that's the %^&* in' trouble!
Last edited by 2nd trick op; 04-08-2019 at 09:06 AM..
Yes. Wait times are much longer in UHC countries. Untreated = unmet need.
Wait times are longer in average, but far fewer people don't get treatment at all. Not getting treated at all until its so bad you have to show up at emergency room is a much worse case of unmet needs.
So .... money is STILL coming out of the pockets of patients. Sheesh, Can these leftists think at all?
Are you playing dumb, or do you genuinely think paying taxes has the same impact on someone as being slammed with a 5-6 figure medical bill?
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