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Instead of desperately trying to change the subject will you just answer my bloody questions! See post 282 and answer the question, then tell me why you should have to pay for the police when its the bloody gangs that seem to get the most use out of them! lol.
Since you're so into personal anecdotes, I'll share some of mine. Police and fire service aren't free where I've lived. They're funded via a co-pay system. A portion of the cost is funded via the property tax flat rate that everyone (including renters, it's calculated into their rent cost) pays PLUS there's a user co-pay for services. IOW, fees directly paid by the user who calls the fire department or police for help. A 3.5 mile fire department response ambulance ride to the nearest hospital cost us $700 (neighbor called for an ambulance when my daughter had a health issue at her house which turned out to be harmless).
A fire department response to an actual home on fire could cost the homeowner about $50,000 but that cost is usually covered by homeowners insurance. Just make sure that's covered in the policy you buy.
I don't consider free healthcare for all to be right. Those who can afford it should pay if they want it.
The big question is deciding who can afford it.
I see it as a human rights issue separate from any political dogma. The United States, one of the richest countries in the world, is one of the few developed countries in the world that doesn't have universal health care. Having a healthy citizenry who are able to work and thrive is as important as the billions of dollars that this country spends on our military to guard us against foreign enemies.
Actually I think the US is the only developed country that still doesn't have any form of universal healthcare.
Since you're so into personal anecdotes, I'll share some of mine. Police and fire service aren't free where I've lived. They're funded via a co-pay system. A portion of the cost is funded via the property tax flat rate that everyone (including renters, it's calculated into their rent cost) pays PLUS there's a user co-pay for services. IOW, fees directly paid by the user who calls the fire department or police for help. A 3.5 mile fire department response ambulance ride to the nearest hospital cost us $700 (neighbor called for an ambulance when my daughter had a health issue at her house which turned out to be harmless).
A fire department response to an actual home on fire could cost the homeowner about $50,000 but that cost is usually covered by homeowners insurance. Just make sure that's covered in the policy you buy.
Bloody hell - you are being 'ripped off' big time! You gotta take your head out of the sand.
Are you playing dumb, or do you genuinely think paying taxes has the same impact on someone as being slammed with a 5-6 figure medical bill?
Paying taxes is worse because it is a system of taking based on force and violence, and it harms millions, intentionally.
An individual "being slammed" with a 5-6 figure medical bill would be unfortunate if they were not insured and/or had no ability to pay, but unfortunate as it may be, they made use of goods and services provided by others, and therefore should compensate those who provided those goods and services.
"Unfortunate" becomes "tragic and immoral" the minute anyone with power to do so forces others to labor on behalf of that individual's inability to pay their 5-6 figure medical bill.
...1.2 million Americans experience unnecessary vision impairment from cataracts, including approximately 157,000 cases of blindness. To calculate the preventable burden, the committee assumed that 95 percent of all untreated cataracts cases were immediately treatable, at a one-time cost of $2,640 (persons ages 40 to 64) and $3,730 (persons over age 65). If all these individuals (prevalent cases) and all new (incident) cases were treated, about 300,000 QALYs would be saved, at an average net economic savings of more than $20 billion, including direct and indirect costs, over the next 10 years. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK402366/#
I'm not in the UK, I'm in Canada where health care IS a right. I've had cataract surgery done in a timely manner....Your link talks about incurable eye problems.
It discusses treatable conditions which, if treated appropriately in a timely manner, preserves one's eyesight. AMD, for example, can be successfully treated and may or may not recur.
Since you're so into personal anecdotes, I'll share some of mine. Police and fire service aren't free where I've lived. They're funded via a co-pay system. A portion of the cost is funded via the property tax flat rate that everyone (including renters, it's calculated into their rent cost) pays PLUS there's a user co-pay for services. IOW, fees directly paid by the user who calls the fire department or police for help. A 3.5 mile fire department response ambulance ride to the nearest hospital cost us $700 (neighbor called for an ambulance when my daughter had a health issue at her house which turned out to be harmless).
A fire department response to an actual home on fire could cost the homeowner about $50,000 but that cost is usually covered by homeowners insurance. Just make sure that's covered in the policy you buy.
It discusses treatable conditions which, if treated appropriately in a timely manner, preserves one's eyesight. AMD, for example, can be successfully treated and may or may not recur.
How unfortunate that you posted this just after post 329! (by the way you still haven't answered my question).
Wait times are longer in average, but far fewer people don't get treatment at all. Not getting treated at all until its so bad you have to show up at emergency room is a much worse case of unmet needs.
Extended wait times can mean the difference between life and death, eyesight and blindness, etc. Untreated, due to extended wait times = unmet need.
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(by the way you still haven't answered my question).
