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"I don't understand. But I don't care, so it works out."
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant
Who suggested that the violence was a direct result of the PTSD from several generation ago when they would have had to be living and the victim of it to have had that direct impact? I don't understand where you are trying to go as that seems like a straw man. Besides, the black homicide rate is down from the 90's and 80's. Growing up in these environments created from those broken from past trauma results in much contemporary trauma from from poverty and violence....that directly impacts them. How many people have you seen shot, stabbed or killed?
That was the entire point of the first video you posted.
The presenter listed off the symptoms of PTSD, and said when Mom has those symptoms (the former slave) little Johnny or Mary will pick up on those behaviors too, and will parent that way too, even though they weren't slaves themselves. They've learned the behaviors of someone suffering from PTSD.
Violence, hypervigiliance, quickness to anger, etc. She also mentioned sleep problems, but I don't know that the AA community is plagued with sleep problems, which isn't really something you can pass on by example anyway.
I haven't seen any shot, stabbed or killed directly.
If violence in the black community, and poverty and lack of males taking responsibility for their own children is on the decline, maybe this entire conversation is for naught? Maybe the problems are being solved?
I did listen attentively to the argument made in the first video, and I agree with her. The symptoms of PTSD can be passed on to future generations, even though they didn't experience the original cause of trauma.
Because their parents have the maladaptive behaviors associated with PTSD.
It's a head scratcher that people want government sponsored cash giveaways for reparations but the minute we talk about government sponsored therapy, it's 'no can do'.
Expecting reparations is an attempt at a cash grab and nothing more. And when people in poverty **** it away, then what? Back for more because that didn't quite do the trick? Like affirmative action and quotas, etc., didn't quite do the trick?
I am all for therapy. It's not going to cost you any less though.
Should this post-slavery trauma be taken into consideration when hiring blacks? I mean for jobs like airline pilots, firemen, doctors, nuclear plant technicians? We can't have psychologically damaged people in positions that could pose a danger to people.
JC, now I've heard it all. You have GOT to be kidding me.
Now, this label would have more weight if it was someone who was a sex slave. With these slave reparation proposals, my White guilt self occasionally kicks in.
That was the entire point of the first video you posted.
The presenter listed off the symptoms of PTSD, and said when Mom has those symptoms (the former slave) little Johnny or Mary will pick up on those behaviors too, and will parent that way too, even though they weren't slaves themselves. They've learned the behaviors of someone suffering from PTSD.
Violence, hypervigiliance, quickness to anger, etc.
I haven't seen any shot, stabbed or killed directly.
If violence in the black community, and poverty and lack of males taking responsibility for their own children is on the decline, maybe this entire conversation is for naught? Maybe the problems are being solved?
I did listen attentively to the argument made in the first video, and I agree with her. The symptoms of PTSD can be passed on to future generations, even though they didn't experience the original cause of trauma.
Because their parents have the behaviors associated with PTSD.
Right....but you specifically said "Directly linked". She never said that current generations are experiencing PTSD directly....but then you offered your disagreement with the direct link....but no one ever made a direct link.
Now...I am not advocating this person....but some of what he says is also true and its born from the same transference.
The one thing that I have noted, for decades now, is that rarely do you have the field of psychology employed to examine the conditions of blacks in America. You will see experts brought out to give their opinions but rarely will you ever see anyone bring out a psychologist for expert testimony.....which is strange given the growth of psychological therapy...which can only come as a result of growing acceptance and efficacy of the field and profession. Yet.....you will have people used as experts, in all other fields, on the black condition except those trained to be experts in examining human behavior.
Well....here you go: I don't suffer under any illusions that people will be changed by what this person says, but I just want it to be known that when so many things are against your position, like historical facts, like logic, like trained professionals who study human behavior.....that you probably are on the wrong side of understanding.....and there has to be a reason that a person is compelled to stay on the wrong side in spite of all the evidence against their position.
Here is a snippet to understanding how blacks today are impacted by slavery still. Please....don't be guilty of employing the fallacy of division or composition.
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant
Right....but you specifically said "Directly linked". She never said that current generations are experiencing PTSD directly....but then you offered your disagreement with the direct link....but no one ever made a direct link.
Now...I am not advocating this person....but some of what he says is also true and its born from the same transference.
I am all for therapy. It's not going to cost you any less though.
As long as it's not cash, have at it, even though I shouldn't pay a damn dime. NOBODY on either sides of my family were in America until around 1900. They were treated like dirt when they got here, but they rose above it.
And I broke the chain of a long history of mean drunks, including one of my parents.
See? Doesn't take a lot, just a decision to do it differently.
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