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Old 04-20-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Baghdad Barr should be following the law.

He also should be telling the truth.

Doesn't seem too high a standard for the Attorney General, now does it?
No, and he seems to be doing a good job of meeting the standard.

Are you ready to explain how he's wrong about the law regarding any one of the things that your media sources think is obstruction?

 
Old 04-20-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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No, it's because he already developed his 'personal defense theory' for Mr. Trump without knowing any of the facts or evidence. Here he is in a memo to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein & Assistant Attorney General Steve Engel, dated June 8, 2018 outlining his 'personal defense theory':

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...n-Theory-1.pdf
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Of course, he's talking about the law. Why do you think the attorney general should not follow the law?
What the heck are you talking about? You didn't even bother to read the memo. Just like some folks here didn't bother to read the report linked in the OP.

Who said he wasn't talking about the law? Besides you.

If all lawyers had to do was 'talk about the law' why would anything have to go to court?

Mr. Mueller's investigative report is based on the specific facts, the summary of evidence, & applicable legal standards, including case law, SCOTUS decisions, current state & federal law & statutes, et cetera.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:04 PM
 
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Nothing is coming, there will be no impeachment... the Democrats are not going to stack a doomed coup attempt on the back of a failed coup attempt.
There are other ways that he could go down I don’t see him being impeached either but then I again I don’t see him winning in 2020.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:05 PM
 
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The Business Insider found 11 instances of obstruction in the report. Mueller did not think he could charge the President so he left it up to congress to do what they need to do.

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr...ference-2019-4

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INSIDER reviewed the Mueller report and found that it includes 11 instances of potential obstruction, outlined below:

"The Campaign's response to reports about Russian support for Trump."
"Conduct involving FBI Director Comey and Michael Flynn."
"The President's reaction to the continuing Russia investigation."
"The President's termination of Comey."
"The appointment of a Special Counsel and efforts to remove him."
"Efforts to curtail the Special Counsel's investigation."
"Efforts to prevent public disclosure of evidence."
"Further efforts to have the Attorney General take control of the investigation."
"Efforts to have McGahn deny that the President had ordered him to have the Special Counsel removed."
"Conduct towards Flynn, Manafort, [REDACTED]."
"Conduct involving Michael Cohen."
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...justice-2019-4

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According to US law, in order to establish an obstruction offense, the following criteria need to be met:

An individual has corrupt intent.
They engaged in obstructive conduct.
That conduct was connected to a "pending or contemplated proceeding."

In several instances, prosecutors outlined conduct that appears to meet those criteria, most notably involving Trump's conversations with the former White House counsel Don McGahn and his attempts to get McGahn to remove Mueller as special counsel.

But prosecutors provided little, if any, mitigating information pointing to Trump's innocence.

In fact, they emphasized, "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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What the heck are you talking about? You didn't even bother to read the memo. Just like some folks here didn't bother to read the report linked in the OP.

Who said he wasn't talking about the law? Besides you.
Your comment was incoherent. I had to guess at what you were getting at. And, yes, I read the memo. I still have no idea what the point of your reference to it is.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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Yeah, because Mueller couldn't find evidence to indict for collusion but you can.
When the House Judiciary Committee started their hearings looking into Nixon's nefarious behavior, they did not have the slam dunk evidence either.

It came to light and the rest is history.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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There are other ways that he could go down I don’t see him being impeached either but then I again I don’t see him winning in 2020.
I see Trump winning easily... if only to stop the Democrats from turning us into a Banana Republic with kangaroo courts.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:09 PM
 
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Mueller's report presented documented evidence in a number of areas for obstruction of justice. Trump tried to get people to lie under oath. Trump tried to derail investigations. ...

What Mueller wrote was that since the AG determined that there would be no indictment, it was not fair to accuse Trump when he would not have an opportunity to defend himself in court.

He also wrote “Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office,”

That conclusion, “accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.”
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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Kangaroo courts? Where?

Surely the folks who cheered on 5+years investigating everything they could turn up on Bill Clinton and 2+ years of Benghazi hearings aren't calling Congressional investigations Kangaroo courts are they?
 
Old 04-20-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Mueller's report presented documented evidence in a number of areas for obstruction of justice. Trump tried to get people to lie under oath.
You're making that up.

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Trump tried to derail investigations. ...
What investigations?

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What Mueller wrote was that since the AG was determined that there would be no indictment, it was not fair to accuse Trump when he would not have an opportunity to defend himself in court.

He also wrote “Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office,”

That conclusion, “accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.”
LOL. Like he is Congress's boss. How arrogant! Congress can decide for itself and most certainly does not Mueller's permission to do anything.
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