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Old 04-20-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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Because he's a lawyer who has specialized in this area of the law, and he knows that the "episodes" discussed by Mueller do not involve any obstruction of justice.
No, it's because he already developed his 'personal defense theory' for Mr. Trump without knowing any of the facts or evidence. Here he is in a memo to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein & Assistant Attorney General Steve Engel, dated June 8, 2018 outlining his 'personal defense theory':

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...n-Theory-1.pdf

 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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Is that what you think?

Where did you get that notion, specifically?



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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
The report stated: "...if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."

"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

"The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred."

The report went to great lengths to explain repeatedly how they found evidence that met the legal threshold to make a case -- if they could. However, both AG and DOJ policy was that no indictments for anything, including obstruction of justice, would be happening.

So why is Baghdad Barr claiming Trump was exonerated with regard to obstruction of justice?

From your buddy.....
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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Ok, let's say you are accused of robbing a bank and the police come to your house and you don't let them in to talk to you. Are you obstructing justice? Do you think it's necessary for the police to come out and say that even though you didn't rob the bank, you are going to jail for not letting them talk to you? You people are sheep.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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Default Rudy Giuliani: Sentence in Mueller report about obstruction ‘turns around 2,000 years of law’

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rud...bstruction-law


Rudy Giuliani: Sentence in Mueller report about obstruction ‘turns around 2,000 years of law’

President Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani on Friday blasted a key line in the Mueller report regarding obstruction, saying it “turns around 2,000 years of Roman, English and American law”.

The former New York City mayor on Friday took issue with the words “if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.”


“When the hell did a prosecutor ever try to figure out if you didn’t do it?” Giuliani told ‘Fox & Friends’. “Prosecutors have to figure out did you do it.”...
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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You have underestimated the American people, & members here who have attempted to answer you. The American people, & members here "know what obstruction of justice is" also.

The American people, & members here (some folks anyhow) have read the specific facts, based on the evidence revealed in Mr. Mueller's investigative report.

We don't even have an unredacted report by which to delve further.

Give the authoritarian stance a break, we the people are far beyond the 'banana republic' stage:

Will the Mueller Report be in coloring book format, for you & AOC?
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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Obstruction is a actionable offence.....it has to actually happen...to be charged with obstruction

...the only think they have is firing Comey.....which the president can do at any time for any reason

Comey was caught lying if nothing else....Comey first denied leaking...then admitted he did leak...that's lying...that one thing is enough...leaking itself is enough, and Comey admitted to that
...and the president fired him immediately after that

Doesn't matter what Trump "said"....no actual obstruction took place...Mueller's report is dancing all around that..even Mueller conveniently left out the reason's Trump had to fire Comey....and at no time did Mueller find evidence of actual obstruction...and he said so...it was all maybe, might, could have
He dismissed Comey because of the Russian investigation, he not only stated it he put it in writing.
Firing a FBI director is a rather big event, only once in our past and the fact that his campaign was heavily involved with the Russians makes this even larger.


If Comey was not caught lying, I would like to see your source, if that were true he would have been under investigation.


There wasn't sufficient evidence for Mueller to claim there was obstruction or not, you seem to choose the half that benefits your opinion. There is certainly extensive information regarding the Trump campaign's connections to Russia although they went on record claiming that wasn't the case.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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Ok, let's say you are accused of robbing a bank and the police come to your house and you don't let them in to talk to you. Are you obstructing justice? Do you think it's necessary for the police to come out and say that even though you didn't rob the bank, you are going to jail for not letting them talk to you? You people are sheep.
The current topic is not about due process.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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He dismissed Comey because of the Russian investigation, he not only stated it he put it in writing.
Firing a FBI director is a rather big event, only once in our past and the fact that his campaign was heavily involved with the Russians makes this even larger.


If Comey was not caught lying, I would like to see your source, if that were true he would have been under investigation.


There wasn't sufficient evidence for Mueller to claim there was obstruction or not, you seem to choose the half that benefits your opinion. There is certainly extensive information regarding the Trump campaign's connections to Russia although they went on record claiming that wasn't the case.
It doesn't matter why he fired Comey since he was free to fire him for any reason under the sun. Even Comey already told you that.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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It doesn't matter why he fired Comey since he was free to fire him for any reason under the sun. Even Comey already told you that.
No one is questioning that he can fire an FBI director but don't you think he should have a factual and credible reason.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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No one is questioning that he can fire an FBI director but don't you think he should have a factual and credible reason.
He did..….he was fed up that Comey told him multiple times he himself wasn't under investigation but wouldn't tell the American people and the Congress the same thing.

Bottom line...…….all political appointees serve at the President's pleasure...…...he decides if they stay or go. What anyone thinks of that is purely a political matter...…….not a criminal one that needs to be investigated. There is no appeal process if the President fires you. Old news that everyone knows or should know.
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