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Old 05-10-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest View Post
Comparing the influence of a local billboard to the influential impact of a $93 million donation is the logical fallacy of false equivalence.
Please, it is not. If 100 people believe like me, why is it your business if we want to pool our money and put up 100 billboards?
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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If you put up a billboard, you've made it my business by projecting your thoughts at me.
I have a right to say what I wish, you do not have a right to not hear it. Just because you know who said it does not stop you from seeing it.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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I have a right to say what I wish, you do not have a right to not hear it. Just because you know who said it does not stop you from seeing it.
English, please.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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If I want to pay for a bill board to counter the billboard the local politician puts up, why is that any of your business?
These are mostly tax exempt groups (501's) not individuals that supposedly have no connection to a candidate. They choose an issue and offer criticism of a candidate but they are restricted from coordinating with any of the candidates, that is pretty much laughable. No one knows the donors but there is big money impacting the election results. Both parties love the money but they both complain about the funding influencing elections.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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English, please.
I can't help if you don't understand what you said.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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Please, it is not. If 100 people believe like me, why is it your business if we want to pool our money and put up 100 billboards?
I'm not saying "it's my business" what you do.

The false equivalent argument is to claim that:

You & others putting up 100 billboards is no different from an individual's $93 million campaign donation even if it's funneled through various PACs & Super PACs.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:28 AM
 
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These are mostly tax exempt groups (501's) not individuals that supposedly have no connection to a candidate. They choose an issue and offer criticism of a candidate but they are restricted from coordinating with any of the candidates, that is pretty much laughable. No one knows the donors but there is big money impacting the election results. Both parties love the money but they both complain about the funding influencing elections.
People have as much of a right to the process as do politicians. Here we are arguing to restrict the people as opposed to the politicians. It takes a lot of money to counter all the free time the politicians get to spew their lies.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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schiff for brains ain't gonna get an amendment passed that contravenes the 1st Amendment.
Corporations are people?
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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I'm not saying "it's my business" what you do.

The false equivalent argument is to claim that:

You & others putting up 100 billboards is no different from an individual's $93 million campaign donation even if it's funneled through various PACs & Super PACs.
It's nothing more than an excuse. People always have to find excuses for people voting in a way they do not. So tell me, which political ad was it that caused you to vote for who you did?
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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People have as much of a right to the process as do politicians. Here we are arguing to restrict the people as opposed to the politicians. It takes a lot of money to counter all the free time the politicians get to spew their lies.
We are arguing that unlimited donations (particularly anonymous ones) have handed the mega-rich an outsized influence on the electoral process and that the playing field should be leveled.
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