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Old 05-10-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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I'm totally against this.

legalizing schedule 1 narcotics will just make things worse. Right now, the "war on drugs" has for the most part worked.

I think today's problem revolves mostly around prescription drug abuse. But to NOT think that things are significantly better now than they were during the heroin and cocaine era of the 70s and the crack era of the 80s and early 90s is disingenuous.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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You do understand that US is their one and only customer, and US companies would join the competitions too.

If people can order an oz of cocaine for $20 off Amazon Prime, I doubt the cartels would get any business.
wrong.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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I vote yes.
Tax the drugs and stop taxing me.
We've already done that with cigarettes 20 years go.

How much have your taxes gone down?
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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I'm totally against this.

legalizing schedule 1 narcotics will just make things worse. Right now, the "war on drugs" has for the most part worked.

I think today's problem revolves mostly around prescription drug abuse. But to NOT think that things are significantly better now than they were during the heroin and cocaine era of the 70s and the crack era of the 80s and early 90s is disingenuous.
We have a pretty bad opiate crisis going on now, to the extent that prescription pain relievers are being kept from people who need them and patients are seeking out street heroin and deadly fentanyl.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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We have a pretty bad opiate crisis going on now, to the extent that prescription pain relievers are being kept from people who need them and patients are seeking out street heroin and deadly fentanyl.
Well I think the opiate crises then becomes a "taking money out of politics" issue because Big Pharma lobbyists such as Bayer and Pfizer are the chief architects of the legislative process that allows them to sell drugs at the capacity that they have been doing.

From what I can tell, it's easier to get pain killers on the street now because of this.


But IMPO legalizing and corporatizing heroin would not eliminate street heroin.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I'm totally against this.

legalizing schedule 1 narcotics will just make things worse. Right now, the "war on drugs" has for the most part worked.

I think today's problem revolves mostly around prescription drug abuse. But to NOT think that things are significantly better now than they were during the heroin and cocaine era of the 70s and the crack era of the 80s and early 90s is disingenuous.
The war on drugs has not “workedâ€, the only thing it has worked at is ****ing up people’s lives with legal problems in addition to their substance abuse problems.

For casual users, it has made legal problems where none should have existed.

The government needs to get out of policing what people choose to put in their bodies.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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The war on drugs has not “worked”, the only thing it has worked at is ****ing up people’s lives with legal problems in addition to their substance abuse problems.

For casual users, it has made legal problems where none should have existed.

The government needs to get out of policing what people choose to put in their bodies.
Nope, crime is down, crack/coke and heroin drug use is down, awareness, education treatment and access to resources are up over the past 40 years

The only lives that are fukked up, are the people who fukked it up themselves.


Sorry, but on a more personal level..as someone who had drug users and dealers in their family, you are never going to convince me that they and the community in which they lived, would have been better off if the drugs were legal to use and sell.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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I think Mexico should do it,as should we. Let's join the rest of the civilized world who treats the issue for what it is: a public health issue, not a criminal issue. Our current approach is backwards and is only amplifying the negative impacts upon people's lives.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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this will do nothing to slow the cartels. Neither would full legalization. They would just become the legal suppliers. Full legalization of manufacture and sale of all drugs would be a disaster. Who thinks it's a good idea for people to walk into a store and buy LSD or PCP? You think society has problems now? Clubs would turn into cocaine dens again etc. There would be problems all over the place.
For them to become the legal suppliers they would have to operate their business inside the existing legal framework or risk getting shut down. If it forces the cartels to operate primarily inside existing laws or lose their golden goose then that is a change that is good for everyone.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Utah!
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Nope, crime is down, crack/coke and heroin drug use is down, awareness, education treatment and access to resources are up over the past 40 years

The only lives that are fukked up, are the people who fukked it up themselves.


Sorry, but on a more personal level..as someone who had drug users and dealers in their family, you are never going to convince me that they and the community in which they lived, would have been better off if the drugs were legal to use and sell.
Mentality of punishing non-violent crimes: "Those drugs are gonna ruin your life, so I'm gonna lock you in a cage, give you a legal record, and jack up your life anyways."

I'm all for awareness and education. But it's delusional to think that the war-on-drugs has reduced drug usage in any noteworthy measure. People just hide it. Just because you and I don't like something, doesn't mean we have some right to impose our will on others. People are going to do what they want either way.
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