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Old 05-13-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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This thread headline is a total distortion of what she said. She clearly did not say the holocaust gave her a calming feeling. The creation of a "safe space" for the Jewish people in the aftermath of the holocaust gave her a calming feel. That is completely different. She isn't in any way endorsing or expressing pleasure about the holocaust.

I don't agree with her left wing politics, but this is just a controvery rooted in distortion.
I'm Jewish, and not any particular fan of Tlaib but this is 100% correct. Cherry picking a few words out of context is BS, but the faux-outrage will continue
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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It is not a quote, it's a snippet from a quote. Read the FULL QUOTE in the OP. I don't really like her (Tlaib) either, but it's sick what people are doing to her.

I'm Jewish, and I can tell you that while I am Pro-Israel, and Pro-Israeli state, that the Palistinians in fact got a raw deal out of this. The President is purposely taking her comments and sewing hate for political gain. Don't get me wrong, she was sloppy with HOW she said it, but what she was CLEARLY saying is that it is calming to her that the Palistinians, at their own cost, helped to establish the Israeli State. Anyone with a 6th grade reading level could understand this, which probably explains why Trump and his base are getting it wrong.

To summarize: She said it poorly, and that's on her, but her message was NOT that the Holocaust gives her calm, it's that the Palistinian Response (as described in her actual, full quote) gave her calm.

Disgusting what lengths Trump and his base will go to sew hate and division. Absolutely sickening.
Every single day they live down to their deplorable moniker.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
It is not a quote, it's a snippet from a quote. Read the FULL QUOTE in the OP. I don't really like her (Tlaib) either, but it's sick what people are doing to her.

I'm Jewish, and I can tell you that while I am Pro-Israel, and Pro-Israeli state, that the Palistinians in fact got a raw deal out of this. The President is purposely taking her comments and sewing hate for political gain. Don't get me wrong, she was sloppy with HOW she said it, but what she was CLEARLY saying is that it is calming to her that the Palistinians, at their own cost, helped to establish the Israeli State. Anyone with a 6th grade reading level could understand this, which probably explains why Trump and his base are getting it wrong.

To summarize: She said it poorly, and that's on her, but her message was NOT that the Holocaust gives her calm, it's that the Palistinian Response (as described in her actual, full quote) gave her calm.

Disgusting what lengths Trump and his base will go to sew hate and division. Absolutely sickening.
i gave the full quote. claiming her arab buddies ( who 3-4 years previously were allies with hitler) welcomed jews with open arms is very deserving of scorn and ridicule.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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i gave the full quote. claiming her arab buddies ( who 3-4 years previously were allies with hitler) welcomed jews with open arms is very deserving of scorn and ridicule.
Your obvious distortion of the quote is very deserving of scorn and ridicule.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Your obvious distortion of the quote is very deserving of scorn and ridicule.
there was no distortion of the quote. your faux outrage over this nondistortion is very deserving of scorn and ridicule.

how does one pretend that something was never said by quoting the supposedly unsaid thing directly? you forgot to address that.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Well, its nice that the palestinian is supportive of the jewish state. Good people on both sides? Peace soon?
Side note- I’ve seen the msm use much less to run an explosive sensationalist title for days.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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Well, its nice that the palestinian is supportive of the jewish state. Peace soon?
Palestinian WERE supportive of Jewish when the Jewish community needed home. Their generosity has been paid back horribly: been anti-peace. I don't see anything wrong with what Tlaib said
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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wrong x2. the headline is not a distortion of what she said. your claim that the headline said that 'the holocaust gave her a calming feeling', however, is just such a distortion.



direct quote.

You cut her quote mid sentence in a way that altered the meaning. Yes, her quote is rambling, but clearly she was not implying it was the holocaust that gave her a calming feeling:
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"There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.".
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Sure she clearly is biased in favor of the Palestinian viewpoint and apparently favors a one state solution which I think is unworkable. But that's different from being "calmed" by thinking about the genocide of the Jewish people.

The great irony is that she has fairly unpopular positions that cause a lot of divisions within the democrat coalition. Rather than exploit those, conservative media plays up obvious distortions that unify democrats and make conservatives look like a manifestation of the facts be damned social media outrage culture.

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Old 05-13-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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i gave the full quote. claiming her arab buddies ( who 3-4 years previously were allies with hitler) welcomed jews with open arms is very deserving of scorn and ridicule.
I agree with you on that part of what she said. Pure BS on her part.


On the Holocaust itself giving her a calming feeling, I don't think that's what she meant at all, though her incoherent ramble makes it hard to follow and is a perfect gotcha moment..
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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Palestinian WERE supportive of Jewish when the Jewish community needed home. Their generosity has been paid back horribly: been anti-peace. I don't see anything wrong with what Tlaib said
Yes, there were super supportive during the 1921 massacre in Jaffo, the 1929 massacre in Hebron, the Arab Revolt 1936-1939, the 1947-1948 war, and all the terror attacks in between.
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