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The issue in these cases is never actually a declining birth rate-- lower population won't hurt anyone. The issue is always "but OMG, we have all these old people, who will pay taxes to support them??"
I'm sure you can see why this is a problem, that each generation will be expected to be exponentially larger than the last, in order to pay for social services for the last. Eventually this will become unsustainable; why no one sees this is beyond me. Some generation is just going to have to feel the pain in order to keep this reasonable. The baby boomers didn't ask to be born, but Gens X and Y didn't ask to be held up to paying for them, either, and then being criticized for not reproducing MORE MOREMORE to continue to do so.
This is just like the housing bubble: prices went up artificially, and everyone cried and moaned when they dropped back to where they probably should have stayed in the first place. The baby boom was just that, a boom, and now fertility rates have fallen again and it's the end of the world oh noez.
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Originally Posted by Freak80
How is anyone going to raise a family when young people are faced with the following choice:
1) Getting a low-wage wage job.
2) Going to college, graduating with $100,000 in student loan debt, and getting a low-wage job.
And then being criticized because they don't want a low-wage job (having been told all of their lives that they HAD to go to college so they wouldn't get a low-wage job).
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
When girls in India state they would rather go to college than marry and have children, may be elitist influence decisions like that, but still I see it as a change in prioritizing personal values. The u.s. is guilty of a lot of those types of changes. But it's what we want, yes?
If women's education, and people being able to live the life they want rather than they life they are expected by others to live, are wrong, that is a sad world indeed. (Does anyone worry if men would rather do things besides get married and have children, or is that all cool?)
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Originally Posted by MJJersey
The world has a population problem; America does not. End abortion and stop immigration. We will then have a self-sustainable population.
And such a happy population we will have, with unwanted children, children whose parents can't care for them, and despairing parents who were forced to procreate. Truly a utopia to aspire to.
Um, even if you started today, the boomers will mostly all be dead by the time you have anything livable there.
It would take 7 months just for one shipment of equipment and supplies to get there. A livable colony would take decades to build, with current technology.
The birth rate increased too fast after world war 2. The boomers were beneficiaries of a nation that sought out rapid growth and had the vast continental emptiness to do so. Everything falls back to the leftover manufacturing capacity that supplied the war effort, what do you do with it? Let it go idle and deterioate or use it to drive economic growth? That's where the car comes into play, the construction of the interstate system and the construction of new suburbia.
The boomers replaced their generation with a generation just as large as theirs. But their lifestyle is expensive so they're reluctant to give up the high paying jobs they have, and with the service sector oversaturated with a lot of competition, there's no need to pay workers the money they made when those businesses were just getting off the ground and a high quality product and workforce was necessary to expand.
Governments grew with the population, and require more and more money to sustain itself, why the calls to have children to create more tax revenue to siphon from. Standard of living advanced too much too quick to where cost of living skyrocketed but for the younger generation their standard of living declined. All of the demand is inflated by millennials in constrained housing markets, artificially inflated because not all of them can afford the skyrocketing col especially when boomers won't let go of their jobs.
Why would millennials replace themselves with a generation that'll be worse off than they are when their standard of living declined so much compared to what they can remember while young being raised by the boomers?
The market is primarily boomers in competition with theirselves in the housing market they primarily can afford to play in. Everyone thinks their house is worth so much because look at all the millennials that want a house! And crazy boomers willing to pay top dollar for such a house because the market keeps saying prices are only going up!
You have a seemingly smart post, but there's a problem with it.
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The boomers replaced their generation with a generation just as large as theirs.
It seems as if they did and I thought so too, until ...
"Millennials are expected to overtake Boomers in population in 2019 as their numbers swell to 73 million and Boomers decline to 72 million.
<snip> The Millennial generation continues to grow as young immigrants expand its ranks. Boomers – whose generation was defined by the boom in U.S. births following World War II – are aging and their numbers shrinking in size as the number of deaths among them exceeds the number of older immigrants arriving in the country."
If it wasn't for the population of young immigrants, the u.s would not have the population of Millennials that it does. Americans of the Baby Boom generation did not have replacement level births. So now we are back to America's need of immigrants so as to sustain itself in population growth.
Also, Key facts about fertility and birth rates, "Fertility rates in 2017 were highest for Hispanic women, at 67.6 births per 1,000 women, although this group’s fertility rate has decreased by 27 percent over the past decade—the greatest drop among all racial/ethnic groups."
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Governments grew with the population, and require more and more money to sustain itself, why the calls to have children to create more tax revenue to siphon from.
You know we constantly hear how the government ran Social Security retirement is going broke right? And I think, how can that be since the largest workforce (boomers) paid into it? The government set it up where the following generation would support the one that proceeded it. Since the boomer generation did not have replacement level births of children, the number of children entering the workforce is not enough to pay their parents SS retirement.
And that folks is what happens when the government provides solutions for its citizens. Government does not solve problems. It creates them.
Need to increase the birth rate , not bring in more immigrants.
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How would you go about doing that??
States are on this as they are increasing the restrictions on abortion.
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
When girls in India state they would rather go to college than marry and have children, may be elitist influence decisions like that, but still I see it as a change in prioritizing personal values. The u.s. is guilty of a lot of those types of changes. But it's what we want, yes?
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Originally Posted by K12144
If women's education, and people being able to live the life they want rather than they life they are expected by others to live, are wrong, that is a sad world indeed. (Does anyone worry if men would rather do things besides get married and have children, or is that all cool?)
Men may not want to marry and have children either, but one thing they do want to do is have (recreational) sex and that increase the possibility of --- unwanted pregnancies.
It seems we are in a bit of a conundrum.
Well the government is, as they haven't seemed to have made sustainable plans for the country that include, social evolution and the decrease in traditional values.
The low birth rates are largely due to immigration.
And immigration is never the solution to any problem, especially not this one. If we needed more Americans, we would make them ourselves. We have too many people as it is. The market has spoken.
Stop supporting the parasitic classes and start supporting American families and American workers.
That's right. The productive people in the middle are being squeezed by parasites at the top and the bottom. I'm all for a safety net for poor adults, but it's wrong to pay them to have children while working people can't afford to. As for the parasites at the top, it might be time for a wealth tax.
States are on this as they are increasing the restrictions on abortion.
Men may not want to marry and have children either, but one thing they do want to do is have (recreational) sex and that increase the possibility of --- unwanted pregnancies.
It seems we are in a bit of a conundrum.
Well the government is, as they haven't seemed to have made sustainable plans for the country that include, social evolution and the decrease in traditional values.
Forced birth. That’s a crappy plan. And not one women will go along with.
Who’s going to vote for Democrats if we do that?
Women, gays, racial minorities, minorities, city dwellers, suburbanites, people with advanced degrees, Jews, and the rest of us standard issue heathens...
It is starting to get comical how quick everyone is to portray immigrants and minorities as hand out dependent while so much of Trump's support came from folks claiming those minorities and immigrants were stealing all the jobs. Those two sentiments do not align.
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