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Old 06-13-2019, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Unfortunately they will give them all the welfare and food stamps they desire. Republicans never cut handouts anymore and I think they do this to appease the pro-life movement. No wonder our national debt is so high right now.
So what is your solution when a mother can't find a job that will cover rent, food and childcare?

Should the government take the child/children by force and put them up for adoption?

Should the child go hungry? Should it roam the streets dumpster diving or begging for food?

Should the fathers who refuse to work or pay their fair share be put into forced labor camps to earn money?

Should mom depend on charity? What if the overloaded charities can't keep up, then what?.....dumpster dive for food and clothing to fill in the gaps?.....with the kid tagging along of course, certainly can't afford a babysitter while you're dumpster diving or begging on street corners.

How about when the child gets sick and mom can't pay? Should we just let nature take its course, you know, to cull the herd, or should the government/taxpayers provide healthcare?

Please, enlighten us as to how you think children living in poverty should be handled.

 
Old 06-13-2019, 06:27 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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So what is your solution when a mother can't find a job that will cover rent, food and childcare?

Should the government take the child/children by force and put them up for adoption?

Should the child go hungry? Should it roam the streets dumpster diving or begging for food?

Should the fathers who refuse to work or pay their fair share be put into forced labor camps to earn money?

Should mom depend on charity? What if the overloaded charities can't keep up, then what?.....dumpster dive for food and clothing to fill in the gaps?.....with the kid tagging along of course, certainly can't afford a babysitter while you're dumpster diving or begging on street corners.

How about when the child gets sick and mom can't pay? Should we just let nature take its course, you know, to cull the herd, or should the government/taxpayers provide healthcare?

Please, enlighten us as to how you think children living in poverty should be handled.
Much easier to just kill them to avoid all these problems, isn't it? My God, you folks are scary.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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So is ANY pro-lifer who thinks a fetus is a person just like/equal to a living grown woman going to tell me whether fetuses should be issued SSNs when mom finds out she's pregnant? Or??

If it's a person shouldn't the government know and register them before birth?? Or could it be that there is a distinction between a born and an unborn human. Idk.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Much easier to just kill them to avoid all these problems, isn't it? My God, you folks are scary.

How about some answers as to how all of these precious children will survive under the Republican "your kid is not my problem" regime?

Remember, an aborted fetus will not become "your problem" child in need, shouldn't that satisfy you?

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

You do realize, don't you, that all of these new draconian anti-abortion laws will only effect poor women who can't even afford to travel a few hundred miles and miss a couple of days of work......how in the hell do you think women that poor are going to support a kid without welfare, food stamps and medicaid?

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Old 06-13-2019, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So is ANY pro-lifer who thinks a fetus is a person just like/equal to a living grown woman going to tell me whether fetuses should be issued SSNs when mom finds out she's pregnant? Or??

If it's a person shouldn't the government know and register them before birth?? Or could it be that there is a distinction between a born and an unborn human. Idk.
........and don't forget..... fathers will need to pay fetal support if it is going to be treated just like a child. Fathers should also be held legally responsible for half of the medical costs of carrying and delivering a fetus child.

And as another poster once mentioned...... the fetus will need life insurance {half of the premium paid by the father, of course}......in case of a miscarriage a proper burial can be expensive.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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For those of you who are totally against abortion, what are you going to do when women have babies they don't want and can't afford? Are you going to take them in? Pay for them? Comforting these babies when they wake up crying four times each night? Pro-life means respecting life from cradle to grave, after all. What's the plan after they are born? After these bans are enacted, there are consequences. This is real life. It's messy. It's not ideal. The problem won't magically solve itself just because Louisiana bans abortion. Once they are born, our taxes will go up, because the children will need CHIP, SNAP, and Food Stamps. Are you willing to pay more taxes?
Should we euthanize all children who are wards of the state, or will you adopt them?
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:06 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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So is ANY pro-lifer who thinks a fetus is a person just like/equal to a living grown woman going to tell me whether fetuses should be issued SSNs when mom finds out she's pregnant? Or??

If it's a person shouldn't the government know and register them before birth?? Or could it be that there is a distinction between a born and an unborn human. Idk.
Sure. If you're pronounced dead when your heart stops beating, we can pronounce people alive when it starts beating. And that's exactly what's happening in places with common sense and an appreciation of science.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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Sure. If you're pronounced dead when your heart stops beating, we can pronounce people alive when it starts beating. And that's exactly what's happening in places with common sense and an appreciation of science.
So if it's so settled that a fetus is a person equal to a living person why have fetuses never been issued SSNs before, why isn't is happening?

Will pro-lifers lobby for this, and also for what Annie mentioned?

Pro-lifers may also want to read this article: So-Called "Heartbeat Bills" Are a Lie, and Doctors Want You to Stop Calling Them That -

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The largest organization of obstetricians and gynecologists in the U.S. has spoken out against the inaccurate labeling of anti-abortion legislation sometimes called “heartbeat bills.”

That term isn’t medically correct, Ted Anderson, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, told the Guardian. “What is interpreted as a heartbeat in these bills is actually electrically induced flickering of a portion of the fetal tissue that will become the heart as the embryo develops,” he said.

... Anderson said the college, which represents 58,000 physicians, refuses to refer to such legislation as a “heartbeat” bill, as that’s “out of step with the anatomical and clinical realities of that stage of pregnancy.”

... When a pulsing sound is first detected, it is really just “a group of cells with electrical activity. That’s what the heartbeat is at that stage of gestation … We are in no way talking about any kind of cardiovascular system,” Jennifer Kerns, an OB-GYN at UC San Francisco, told WIRED in May.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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So is ANY pro-lifer who thinks a fetus is a person just like/equal to a living grown woman going to tell me whether fetuses should be issued SSNs when mom finds out she's pregnant? Or??

If it's a person shouldn't the government know and register them before birth?? Or could it be that there is a distinction between a born and an unborn human. Idk.
This should scare most everyone.

The idea that the government decides a person is alive is scary as hell.

Lot's of governments decided entire classes of people weren't human; therefore, they justified things like extermination and slavery.
 
Old 06-13-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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This should scare most everyone.

The idea that the government decides a person is alive is scary as hell.

Lot's of governments decided entire classes of people weren't human; therefore, they justified things like extermination and slavery.
Hey, who cares about extermination and slavery when we have real concerns like the right to have unlimited sex without consequences for our decisions?
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