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The idea that the government decides a person is alive is scary as hell.
Lot's of governments decided entire classes of people weren't human; therefore, they justified things like extermination and slavery.
Some states are trying to do that with so-called "heartbeat bills," though. The premise is that it is a person fully equal to a live person at only around 6 weeks gestation, therefore no abortion after that.
Would it maybe be better if we left medical or science-related stuff to experts? As in, let women and their medical providers decide whether they should have an abortion?
Some states are trying to do that with so-called "heartbeat bills," though. The premise is that it is a person fully equal to a live person at only around 6 weeks gestation, therefore no abortion after that.
Would it maybe be better if we left medical or science-related stuff to experts? As in, let women and their medical providers decide whether they should have an abortion?
Sure. Experts say a baby in the third trimester is a living human, yet many liberals want to the government to void that life.
Hey, who cares about extermination and slavery when we have real concerns like the right to have unlimited sex without consequences for our decisions?
Would you be okay if the consequences for men having unlimited sex without consequences would be any or all of these things: forced vasectomies, forced child support and/or equal custody when he gets a woman pregnant and the child is born, forcing him to pay for half of the mother's medical expenses from beginning of pregnancy through birth when he gets a woman pregnant?
Sure. Experts say a baby in the third trimester is a living human, yet many liberals want to the government to void that life.
Who are these many liberals? Do you mean the ones who created laws allowing women pregnant with babies with conditions incompatible with life to terminate? Because late term abortions are exceptionally rare, very very few facilities nationwide offer them, they are expensive, and states like mine have already allowed them for a long time, so it's nothing new. It's just that when NY does it, it makes the news because it's NY.
Who are these many liberals? Do you mean the ones who created laws allowing women pregnant with babies with conditions incompatible with life to terminate? Because late term abortions are exceptionally rare, very very few facilities nationwide offer them, they are expensive, and states like mine have already allowed them for a long time, so it's nothing new. It's just that when NY does it, it makes the news because it's NY.
All the liberals who keep screaming "her body, her choice" and want unrestricted abortions to be legal.
Practically every thread here, not a single pro choice liberal says something along the lines of, "our laws should allow unrestricted abortions in the first trimester, fairly regulated abortions in the second trimester, and extremely limited abortions in the third trimester", but almost every post is the same "her body her choice" and "you don't want abortions, then you adopt them."
Most liberals appear to be as extreme as the ultra religious right.
All the liberals who keep screaming "her body, her choice" and want unrestricted abortions to be legal.
Practically every thread here, not a single pro choice liberal says something along the lines of, "our laws should allow unrestricted abortions in the first trimester, fairly regulated abortions in the second trimester, and extremely limited abortions in the third trimester", but almost every post is the same "her body her choice" and "you don't want abortions, then you adopt them."
Most liberals appear to be as extreme as the ultra religious right.
Realistically speaking 90%+ of abortions happen in the first trimester. This isn't because many states restrict past that, it's because women just don't go around carrying a pregnancy for months, into the point of viability, then decide for no good reason to terminate, just because. Pregnancy is tough on the body, it costs money, women have to buy new clothes, ideally refrain from smoking, drinking, eating certain foods, and many will grow attached to the baby over time. Perhaps these "liberals" who don't want any restrictions know that and aren't concerned about no restrictions later in pregnancy. Or perhaps they look at states like mine that have no restrictions at any point in pregnancy and realize the world hasn't ended here because of it. Some (many) would have some (many) not so nice things to say about NJ but in reality it has a high QOL, well educated population, among the best public schools in the country, quality healthcare, a lot of wealth, overall low crime.
So your abortion nightmare already happens here, yet we aren't suffering in any way because of it. Life's pretty normal, we function fine having zero restrictions on abortion besides ones regulating where they can occur to ensure the health and safety of women.
You can call it "extreme" to want to stay out of other people's business and let them make their own decisions about their bodies and lives, if you want to.
Sure. Experts say a baby in the third trimester is a living human, yet many liberals want to the government to void that life.
Explain why liberals, like the ones who had nothing to do with creating the baby have this desire for the government to void that life? What motivates them?
Protest all our heteronormative, toxic masculine oppression of people of color? Just think of all the outrage overachievers from the nearly-aborted demographic who could be recruited by and utilized by our social justice warriors? Can't we all agree that this nation would be immeasurably better with more social justice warriors? I think you folks need to rethink this. You're killing some solid prospects for your side.
Much easier to just kill them to avoid all these problems, isn't it? My God, you folks are scary.
But what is really scary is the fact that conservatives pretty strongly believe all government welfare must be abolished, including parts of it that benefit children. The very poor parents of these children must somehow, someway be forced to provide for them or at least be persuaded to give up their own flesh and blood to adoption.
Protest all our heteronormative, toxic masculine oppression of people of color? Just think of all the outrage overachievers from the nearly-aborted demographic who could be recruited by and utilized by our social justice warriors? Can't we all agree that this nation would be immeasurably better with more social justice warriors? I think you folks need to rethink this. You're killing some solid prospects for your side.
Women from all sides of the political and religious spectrum get abortions
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