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Fun fact: what percentage of Americans agree with the official position of the Democratic Party, per its platform, which is that a woman shall have a right to an abortion at any point of a pregnancy for any reason whatsoever? 13%. That's 13% when you present to them the specifics rather than "Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
The bulk of Americans fall somewhere in the middle. Most favor abortion rights up until three months and then support drops off precipitously.
A guaranteed losing argument for those folks in the middle is the argument that we can't prohibit abortion because all those kids who wouldn't be killed will really be a drain on society.
It's also a bit hard to take when out of the other sides of their mouths, they argue for taking in even more low-skilled immigrants and their children, many of who are bound for various government subsidies, nevermind the even greater stress upon and degradation of our environment from all these additional people here illegally.
It's also amusing to observe leftists wringing their hands over the economic costs of fewer kids being killed. It's sort of like when they get concerned over the costs of putting someone on death row. Yep, we can't afford those things. But, you know, let's have Medicare for everyone for $20 trillion or whatever the estimates are now. Deficit hawks, everyone of them.
Fun fact: what percentage of Americans agree with the official position of the Democratic Party, per its platform, which is that a woman shall have a right to an abortion at any point of a pregnancy for any reason whatsoever? 13%. That's 13% when you present to them the specifics rather than "Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
The bulk of Americans fall somewhere in the middle. Most favor abortion rights up until three months and then support drops off precipitously.
A guaranteed losing argument for those folks in the middle is the argument that we can't prohibit abortion because all those kids who wouldn't be killed will really be a drain on society.
It's also a bit hard to take when out of the other sides of their mouths, they argue for taking in even more low-skilled immigrants and their children, many of who are bound for various government subsidies, nevermind the even greater stress upon and degradation of our environment from all these additional people here illegally.
It's also amusing to observe leftists wringing their hands over the economic costs of fewer kids being killed. It's sort of like when they get concerned over the costs of putting someone on death row. Yep, we can't afford those things. But, you know, let's have Medicare for everyone for $20 trillion or whatever the estimates are now. Deficit hawks, everyone of them.
I agree with you that the Democrats really need to back off of such extremism like abortion up until birth. 3 months is plenty for most. Perhaps up to 20 weeks in certain cases, as there are many serious birth defects and congenital anomalies that can't be detected until then.
However, the leftist stance on welfare is likely due to prioritizing quality of life over the survival of fetuses. Plus, with fewer people (particularly fewer poor people being born), the costs of things like universal healthcare become much more manageable.
But that same reason is why I agree with your confusion as to WHY liberals want to let illegals flood in. It just doesn't make sense.
I agree with all except for the third one. I'm not willing to pay the taxes to help irresponsible parents provide for their kids. Unfortunately, I'm being forced to.
Then you should butt out re their wanting to have abortions.
I find the premise of the OP's question to be annoying. At its essence, what it's saying is that someone created a problem (by having children that they didn't want), yet it's someone else's fault (the pro-life community) for not committing vast amounts of money and time to fix it.
If you want to avoid having unwanted children, here's how you do it:
1. Don't have sex.
2. If you disregard No. 1, use protection.
3. If you disregard No. 2 (or it fails), consider re-ordering your life so that you can raise your child.
4. If you are unable or unwilling to do No. 3, put the child up for adoption.
The only real role that pro-lifers have in this sequence is No. 4, by advocating for improvements to the foster care and adoption systems. But to imply that we are somehow responsible for the unwanted children of others, simply because we don't want to see them killed, isn't right.
1. They're fetuses, not children.
2. We're men, and it's none of our flipping business if any woman wants to have one, and thank goodness the SCOTUS understood that 46 years ago. It's unfortunate that more state legislatures haven't in the ensuing years and don't now.
Orphanages. Husband's Grandpa and Uncle were put in two separate ones when their parents got sick and could no longer take care of them. Unwanted children in the past were put in these.
Could not be adopted due to severe mental and physical disabilities? So called Lunatic Asylums. With today's testing many of these children are not being born. No exemption for abortion with this? These children were not adopted in the past, and they won't be today either.
Either way, you tax dollars will be paying for these. In the latter instance, for the rest of their adult lives.
A woman's body autonomy? We are not talking about your autonomy, we are talking about people.... And now that he or she is here, what are we going to do about it... Its still a person, I don't try to hide behind "autonomy" as a reason to kill a person,
Nope.
We are talking about fetuses, and fetuses are not people, under current law, no matter how much you wish them to be.
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