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^and this goes back to my point, the old once a criminal, always a criminal adage. People with your point of view feel that an ex con never repays their debt to society, and feels they should be segregated from society, and either starve to death or kill themselves
People with that kind of mentality are very Un-American!
They cannot put it on the initial application but are free to consider it when actually making any hiring decisions. My guess would be that this means someone with a dumb minor felony does not get lumped in with the rapists, murderers, and kidnappers. Also- many financial jobs have some thorough criteria that will also screen out folks with embezzlement or theft convictions.
All their doing is making sure some guy who got in a fight or bough a small amount of drugs isn't kicked out of the running for his job as a car salesmen or data processor. The real thief will still be blackballed from bank jobs and those with sex-convictions will not get cleared for healthcare and childcare jobs.
And FWIW- they maintain separate sexual offender registries- so those folks are not going to escape that conviction.
No matter how serious the conviction, NO ONE can hold a person to their crime for the rest of their lives, that conflicts with one of the founding principles of the whole US system of justice!
'ban the box', which precludes employers in my city from checking criminal history of potential employees, is why I no longer allow any unknown person in my house or on my grounds unless my husband is home. how do I know the repairman, the tile layer, the gutter cleaner isn't a violent, convicted felon? I don't. violent crime is often plead down in court to a lesser charge.
this ban the box law may sound good to get former criminals hired, but it is potentially very detrimental to public safety and business.
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'ban the box', which precludes employers in my city from checking criminal history of potential employees, is why I no longer allow any unknown person in my house or on my grounds unless my husband is home. how do I know the repairman, the tile layer, the gutter cleaner isn't a violent, convicted felon? I don't. violent crime is often plead down in court to a lesser charge.
this ban the box law may sound good to get former criminals hired, but it is potentially very detrimental to public safety and business.
at least they can still potentially weed them out with background checks. so what exactly does loopy lujan-grisham think she's accomplished besides making employers spend more money?
That might be a good idea for New Mexico. Nice heads up thank you.
Maybe we can get some yahoos from Colorado to go to Trinidad and head south.
No matter how serious the conviction, NO ONE can hold a person to their crime for the rest of their lives, that conflicts with one of the founding principles of the whole US system of justice!
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^and this goes back to my point, the old once a criminal, always a criminal adage. People with your point of view feel that an ex con never repays their debt to society, and feels they should be segregated from society, and either starve to death or kill themselves
Obviously, your intellectual deficits bar you from understanding that the World operates on Trust.
Trust is the foundation of every relationship: parent-child, lovers, teacher-student, employer-employee, leader-soldier, business-business, business-consumer, doctor-patient, priest-penitent, State-to-State and any authority to any subordinate.
Every criminal has violated the trust of their victim, and of society as a whole, since society is also a victim here as well.
Trust, like respect, is not granted freely and must be earned.
Having sat in a prison cell for 15 hours or 15 years is not a reason to trust someone.
Furthermore, many criminals have never once apologized to their victims or society.
How can you possibly trust someone who refuses to acknowledge that what they did was wrong, or constantly blames others for their short-comings or refuses to apologize to the victim and society?
Not only that, but a criminal who refuses to confess and makes society waste valuable money, time and resources to prosecute them tells me they can never be trusted.
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Obviously, your intellectual deficits bar you from understanding that the World operates on Trust.
Trust is the foundation of every relationship: parent-child, lovers, teacher-student, employer-employee, leader-soldier, business-business, business-consumer, doctor-patient, priest-penitent, State-to-State and any authority to any subordinate.
Every criminal has violated the trust of their victim, and of society as a whole, since society is also a victim here as well.
Trust, like respect, is not granted freely and must be earned.
Having sat in a prison cell for 15 hours or 15 years is not a reason to trust someone.
Furthermore, many criminals have never once apologized to their victims or society.
How can you possibly trust someone who refuses to acknowledge that what they did was wrong, or constantly blames others for their short-comings or refuses to apologize to the victim and society?
Not only that, but a criminal who refuses to confess and makes society waste valuable money, time and resources to prosecute them tells me they can never be trusted.
There it is. You fall in the same camp.
I'm guessing your solution would be to throw them all on an island for life like in Escape From New York......
No state/local "ban the box" law can supersede federal requirements. Thus any employer required by federal statute to make such inquiries such as federally chartered banks and some other financial institutions, hospitals/nursing homes/healthcare, nursing schools, and so forth are still perfectly free to make such inquires.
Next studies have found that when banning the box so to speak many employers just out of hand disqualified entire groups of applicants via initial screening process. This is much easier to do nowadays when much if not all of initial hiring process is done online.
Anything you want to know about anyone that is major is usually online today. Just input your own name or anyone else's you know into "Google", and see how many and sort of hits are generated.
Many of those www.backtground.com websites blatantly advertise when someone's background has any sort of negative public information (bankruptcy, civil and or criminal court matters, arrests, incarceration and so forth. How do you think news media are so quick to know about someone's background? Anyone willing to pay the fees can subscribe to NexisLexus which is a vast database of every criminal and civil court records in USA.
So sir tell me about this 5 year gap in your work history.
"I was attending New Mexico State."
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