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I don't know if the women's soccer draws as many viewers as the men's games.
I know in basketball the men outdraw the woman by a LARGE margin.
"Empowerment aside, women’s team sports have yet to prove commercially viable as a stand-alone enterprise. The WUSA fizzled after three seasons. It was followed in 2009 by the similarly short-lived Women’s Professional Soccer. A third crack at women’s pro soccer was launched in 2013. The National Women’s Soccer League may have legs, given the financial support it draws from U.S. Soccer and the Canadian and Mexican soccer federations, which bankroll the salaries of their top stars competing in the NWSL. But will a women’s pro sports league ever stand on its own?
They brought in over $17M more than the men’s team in 2016 the year they lost in the olympics, do you think that and subsequent years were an aberration, they never came close to or exceeded the men’s team. Do you have any statistics that indicate otherwise, they were enormously successful for decades.
Maybe they should get a pay raise, but you have repeatedly refused to tell the whole truth in your own thread.
(1) You keep citing revenue, while ignoring that the report that you referenced is only factoring in event revenue...and ignores revenue from TV. That is dishonest.
(2) You said that the judge ruled they couldn't strike. They could strike, the judge ruled that it would clearly break their contract. The women thought that they would be too replaceable so they didn't want to strike and break their contract, but they could strike. If you are replaceable the forces of the free market dictates that your salary isn't as high.
(3) 2016. Once again you use highly selective data. Event revenue (ignoring other bigger sources of revenue) from a year that the women had an event and the men didn't. The Olympics is a weird soccer tournament in terms of making it...at least there is a point about the World Cup, which you either qualify for or not based on merit.
Women are allowed on the men’s team. If they want to be paid more they should try out for the men’s team.
BINGO, we have winner!
If "transgender (even though is IMPOSSIBLE to change ones sex) men can compete in womwn's sports, if woman want more money, go out for the men's teams.
In fact, in today's liberal world, why do we even have men's and women's teams?
The actual argument the Op is making is that the men should take a pay-cut for their poor performance, as their bringing in very little money especially when they missed qualifying for the World Cup. The U.S Men's Team would make significantly more money if they had qualified. The only problem with the paycut is that these players if the coaches are out should be recycled for young blood and be out of the National Team. The U.S has the 2nd or Third easiest continent to qualify, and we blew it completely yet the coach still tries to play the same players who struggled against Caribbean Nations with less soccer players than the city of Houston let alone the entirety of the U.S.
I actually think that the U.S Women's got bad publicity when they lost to the U-13, U-14 Dallas team. Many people don't know this but because my younger brother plays academy level soccer where you travel across the nation in Houston and share's a bracket with Dallas, but that Dallas program and the team is easily a top 10 worldwide and beat out European academies of similar ages at tournaments. So we are talking about (exaggeration here) a team of Mini-Messi's. Women are going to be of similar athletic level to the 13 and 14 year olds, (probably why they play them in the same place), but it isn't like their playing the best that Dallas has to offer, some of these kids are discovered in small border towns in Texas or as far away as Alabama or California in a few cases I personally know, and their so athletically or technically gifted that it is almost a given they will be pro in Europe in a few years. Now imagine playing Messi but with the physique or athleticism of a 13 year old, he's certainly "nerfed" but he can still dribble circles around 99.99% of adults who play soccer. This team just because of lack of physicality and athleticism and are still going to lose to professional adult teams, but if your playing a team that doesn't have that athletic edge, their finishing, touches and dribbling is almost the same as a professional and so technically the difference isn't massive at all. Hence the women's team routinely get spanked by them.
You also have to consider that many of our players on the Men's US team have multiple nationalities per FIFA rules. FIFA rules are a bit loose on what your nationality is. If your maternal-grandmother was born in Mexico, your maternal-grandfather was born in Honduras, your mother was born in Belize, your father was born in Canada, your paternal-grandmother was born in France, and your paternal-grandfather was born in Germany, and you were born in the US....you would literally have 7 different options of which country to play for.
The US Men's team has to compete against other countries to attract this talent away from other countries. More so than the more homogenous Women's team.
You are right that the top adult women soccer players on earth are comparable to 13 and 14 year old boys. Which is why the US Women's team has a losing record against boys teams of that age. I think the noticeable drop off in talent is why the Women's World Cup gets less TV viewers globally than the Men's World Cup.
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Sports salaries today based on TV revenue.
I don't know if the women's soccer draws as many viewers as the men's games.
I know in basketball the men outdraw the woman by a LARGE margin.
In terms of the World Cup and professional sport, it's often based on prize money and itr's up to individual countries football asociations to decide how the money is distributed.
As for domestic football, you are paid more the higher the league you play in, and different players evem in top mens teams are not all paid the same, indeed star players often receive far more money. Indeed the American women's football (soccer) team does far better in terms of prize money than the American Men''s Team, even if the prize money on offer reflects the status and popularity of womens football when compred to the men'r world cup.
If the US Women would rather have more appearance money the prize money could be used to pay for this, as you can't expect to have a massive increase in appearance fees and expect to also claim the same amount of prize money.
It also seems given the circumstances and the fact they are already well paid, I don't really have that much sympathy.
At this year's World Cup, total prize money has risen from $358m (£271m) in 2014 to $400m, with $38m going to the winners. Fifa, the sport's world governing body, allows individual countries to decide how much to pay in appearance fees and how to divide up prize money.
Maybe they should get a pay raise, but you have repeatedly refused to tell the whole truth in your own thread.
(1) You keep citing revenue, while ignoring that the report that you referenced is only factoring in event revenue...and ignores revenue from TV. That is dishonest.
(2) You said that the judge ruled they couldn't strike. They could strike, the judge ruled that it would clearly break their contract. The women thought that they would be too replaceable so they didn't want to strike and break their contract, but they could strike. If you are replaceable the forces of the free market dictates that your salary isn't as high.
(3) 2016. Once again you use highly selective data. Event revenue (ignoring other bigger sources of revenue) from a year that the women had an event and the men didn't. The Olympics is a weird soccer tournament in terms of making it...at least there is a point about the World Cup, which you either qualify for or not based on merit.
The article doesn't indicate event revenue it states profit, why wouldn't TV revenue go to the soccer federation.
Once again they won 7 major championships in the last 20 years, they set an attendance record for a women's event in the Rose Bowl in 1999. Why would you expect their profits to be that much different than 2016 to 2018 and they are expected to exceed the men's earnings for this year and next. There will be more information when they get to court.
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How much revenue do men's sports generate? How much revenue do women's sports generate? The men's product is vastly superior, that why more people go, buy merchandise, etc. Others have said this but it deserves to be repeated. Better products make more money, therefore the owners can afford to pay the players more.
This thread is a good example of why so many liberals hate capitalism and freedom of choice. They simply can't handle that people have the freedom to spend their money how they choose.
Why are you purposely trying to distort the facts?
Yes they bring in "large amounts of revenue" but NOT as MUCH as the men.
When they bring in as MUCH as the men they will be paid as much. NOT a hard concept to understand.
So why are they still being paid a third of the men, they brought in more revenue and that is expected to continue. Its an easy concept, right.
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From 2016 to 2018, women’s games generated about $50.8 million in revenue compared with $49.9 million for the men, according to U.S. soccer’s audited financial statements. In 2016, the year after the World Cup, the women generated $1.9 million more than the men. Game revenues are made up mostly of ticket sales. In the last two years, at least, the men’s tally includes appearance fees that opposing teams pay the U.S. for games.
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