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Old 06-21-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by StuartGotts View Post
I'll NEVER be a Limbaugh-Hannity Republican, they make me throw up in my mouth... But, I'm losing all faith in the Democrats too.
Whats with the absolute pandering for votes they've been doing?
California wants healthcare for Illegals?!?! I work 60 hours/week and can barely afford healthcare. Now they want my tax dollars to pay for an illegal to get it for free! I just had a tooth pulled because a root canal was too expensive but wait... we have to subsidize people who don't even live, work or pay taxes here (legally)???
Complete pandering for the Mexican vote.
News flash. Mexican Americans living and working in California probably feel the same way I do.
New York wants to give illegals drivers licenses! Really? Like some illegal alien is going to sign up at the registry. Never going to happen, just pandering for the Hispanic vote in NY.

Why don't they do what their original base voters want them to do and support the middle class.
We don't want old school socialism but we need social safety nets so one trip to the MD doesn't mean you cannot pay rent that month.

Giving away tax dollars for votes is as bad as the Reps giving tax breaks for votes!!!
Switch to republican. They stink to holy hell but at times they'll listen and they care for more for Americans than they care about illegals. Just to be clear, as a group, they're not very good.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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Open borders are libertarian, not liberal. And it's odd to hear that Rs - the party of business - are opposed to globalism, but oh well.
Because you are lumping big with small business. As a small business owner during the Obama administration Dems did more to hurt small business and helped big business. Democrats are the party of Big Business and globalism.

Do most every day Americans have a chance of achieving... a successful small business or a successful big business?
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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Number one, have you ever listened to Limbaugh and Hannity for more than a soundbite? You might find that they have something to say that is actually informative and enlightening. While I am not a everyday listener, I do catch some interesting information on their radio shows.

Number two, the fact that illegals have been given free healthcare and other free "stuff" by the government pushed by the Democrats, shows us how the Democrats feel about American taxpayers and about Americans in need.

Americans lose when illegals gain access to American taxpayer dollars and the DEMs don't give a sh*%

The DEMs are buying votes from illegals and using our money to do so. THAT should be illegal.

OR

What Eastbound said.^^^^^^^
I make a point of listening to these guys for max 30 minutes per week. Long enough that it isn't just soundbites, short enough that I don't lose my lunch. Why do I do this? Because it predicts with near 95% causation what the right wingers will be posting about later that afternoon or the next day. A lot of right wingers deny listening to these people when it's obvious that many of them religiously do.

There is nothing enlightening about Limbaugh or Hannity. Hannity in particular is a despicable character who used nut job racist conspiracy guys to try to spread falsehoods on Obama, then claimed "just asking the question. He's an unscrupulous piece of garbage.

They are pure partisan hacks and very dishonest ones at that. They've made a mint confirming angry lower and middle class white peoples biases on the back of Reagan's "welfare queen" narrative. I can guarantee you no enlightenment is being achieved by tuning to these radio shows. Somebody like Ben Shapiro is Socrates compared to these clowns.
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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Open borders are libertarian, not liberal. And it's odd to hear that Rs - the party of business - are opposed to globalism, but oh well.

By supporting the list below you don't realize that Democrats want open borders???

- Opposing the wall or any other meaningful border enforcement etc,
- Ignore our immigration laws,
- Sanctuary cities,
- Driver's licenses for illegals,
- Abolishing ICE,
- Asylum laws,
- Healthcare for illegals...

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Old 06-21-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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I make a point of listening to these guys for max 30 minutes per week. Long enough that it isn't just soundbites, short enough that I don't lose my lunch. Why do I do this? Because it predicts with near 95% causation what the right wingers will be posting about later that afternoon or the next day. A lot of right wingers deny listening to these people when it's obvious that many of them religiously do.

There is nothing enlightening about Limbaugh or Hannity. Hannity in particular is a despicable character who used nut job racist conspiracy guys to try to spread falsehoods on Obama, then claimed "just asking the question. He's an unscrupulous piece of garbage.

They are pure partisan hacks and very dishonest ones at that. They've made a mint confirming angry lower and middle class white peoples biases on the back of Reagan's "welfare queen" narrative. I can guarantee you no enlightenment is being achieved by tuning to these radio shows. Somebody like Ben Shapiro is Socrates compared to these clowns.
LOL you base your decision on Hannity. That's like me basing my opinion of the left by watching Morning Joe, Rachael Maddow and Chris Matthews etc,..,,. Try Bret Baer, I like his style and he's more matter of fact.,
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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By supporting the list below you don't realize that Democrats want open borders???

- Opposing the wall or any other meaningful border enforcement etc,
- Ignore our immigration laws,
- Sanctuary cities,
- Driver's licenses for illegals,
- Abolishing ICE,
- Asylum laws,
- Healthcare for illegals...

The defacto position of the Democratic Party and the hard left is open borders.

I love it when leftists try to claim they aren't for open borders, but then can't name a simple enforcement mechanism they support. Usually following behind that discussion where you press them come accusations of racism, or "well the US stole the Southwest from Mexico so we deserve it".
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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LOL you base your decision on Hannity. That's like me basing my opinion of the left by watching Morning Joe, Rachael Maddow and Chris Matthews etc,..,,. Try Bret Baer, I like his style and he's more matter of fact.,
I base what "decision" on Hannity? That I think right wingers are mostly robotic regurgitators of conservative media talking points? I'm pretty sure Hannity's ratings are at the top of the heap so someone is a fan of his.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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I don’t know your voting history, but all elections are about choices.

The election will be a referendum on Donald Trump.

If you’re one of the 42% that approve of his policies, you’ll support him.

If you’re one of the 50+% that are opposed to Trump, you’ll oppose him.
That's not even close to true. I strongly disapprove of his policies, but I will vote for him because his opponent will be ten times worse.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:57 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by StuartGotts View Post
I'll NEVER be a Limbaugh-Hannity Republican, they make me throw up in my mouth... But, I'm losing all faith in the Democrats too.
Whats with the absolute pandering for votes they've been doing?
California wants healthcare for Illegals?!?! I work 60 hours/week and can barely afford healthcare. Now they want my tax dollars to pay for an illegal to get it for free! I just had a tooth pulled because a root canal was too expensive but wait... we have to subsidize people who don't even live, work or pay taxes here (legally)???
Complete pandering for the Mexican vote.
News flash. Mexican Americans living and working in California probably feel the same way I do.
New York wants to give illegals drivers licenses! Really? Like some illegal alien is going to sign up at the registry. Never going to happen, just pandering for the Hispanic vote in NY.

Why don't they do what their original base voters want them to do and support the middle class.
We don't want old school socialism but we need social safety nets so one trip to the MD doesn't mean you cannot pay rent that month.

Giving away tax dollars for votes is as bad as the Reps giving tax breaks for votes!!!
There are a lot of people like you. I am one of them.

I’m basically an old-school New Deal Democrat, meaning that I care mainly about the interests of working class Americans. Today’s Democrats have totally screwed working class Americans by encouraging illegal immigration, which drastically lowers wages at the bottom of the income scale.

It’s no wonder that so many working class Americans have switched to the Party of Trump, given his hard-line stance on illegal immigration.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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For me it comes down to policy. Policies can and do change the lives of all Americans. I do not like Trump on a personal level and I think his mannerisms damage the presumption of dignity and grace afforded to the presidency, but I'm orders or magnitude more fearful of the craziness that has supplanted what used to be the Democrat party. The silent among them needs to reassert control of their party.
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