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Old 07-30-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Well there is your problem. If a private party owned the water supply they will price it according to scarcity.
You will call it gouging, I call it managing a resource responsibly or conservation.
This is true.

Read about the problems in the Cape Town area where governments have failed for decades to provide for future water needs. Meanwhile, private farmers have found ways to solve the problem.
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Old 07-30-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-env...medium=ios_app


I know it comes off as sensationalist. I usually post threads like this because it interesting to see the talks between deniers and believers.

Though I don’t thing sensationalizing things is good as it gets people into not taking a matter seriously. Someone posted a comment that I agreed with:

“Interesting article

“A more fundamental problem with deadline-ism is that it might incite cynical, cry-wolf responses and undermine the credibility of climate science when an anticipated disaster does not happen.”

“The impacts of climate change are more likely to be intermittent, slow and gradual.”

So I guess the challenge is to convince people that we need to act even though disaster may not be imminent.”



Followed by:
“It's kind of a catch-22. Citing the pure data doesn't sound like enough of a motivation for the average layperson ("If we don't act now, temperatures will rise by a degree a decade from now!"), while going into speculation risks backfiring if it doesn't happen as predicted ("Twenty years ago, they said we'd all be underwater by now!").”
The worlds governments aren't going to stop using coal etc and many have said as much.

Then you have the Europeans which are mostly a bunch of paper pushing liars who will sign anything and then violate the provisions like they did with the Kyoto accords.

There needs to be a tech solution and in many cases there ALREADY IS ONE...but the same people crying about global warming are the same buffoons that spent the last 40 years trying to kill nuclear energy. Wind and solar make great supplementary sources but by themselves are too inconsistent.

So, basically the people that care about the topic are too often extremely naive or dogmatic about how to make CO2 levels significantly drop in the real world and are constantly being fooled by stupid crap like the Kyoto accords that did NOTHING.

Hopefully a small group of science minded people come up with cleaner energy solution based in technology because most of the global warming believers are perhaps even bigger idiots than the deniers.
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Old 07-30-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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It is amazing to me that it has come to this.

Politicizing science is the height of corrupt governance, and must be called out!

The leftists have this retarded lust for control, and it must be countered!

They are charlatans! ENOUGH with that BS!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5B8gcpggfs
I'd really like the CD Climate Patrol to comment on this.

There is an old saying that goes, "If they could find a way to tax the air, they will."

Here we are.
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Old 07-30-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Private farmers?! There are no government farmers, at least not in SA.

Cape Town has the same problem, too many people and businesses for the location. No private vs state approach can change that. Not to mention climate change, which is multiplying the risk of extreme droughts, not just in Cape Town.
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Old 07-30-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The worlds governments aren't going to stop using coal etc and many have said as much.

Then you have the Europeans which are mostly a bunch of paper pushing liars who will sign anything and then violate the provisions like they did with the Kyoto accords.

There needs to be a tech solution and in many cases there ALREADY IS ONE...but the same people crying about global warming are the same buffoons that spent the last 40 years trying to kill nuclear energy. Wind and solar make great supplementary sources but by themselves are too inconsistent.

So, basically the people that care about the topic are too often extremely naive or dogmatic about how to make CO2 levels significantly drop in the real world and are constantly being fooled by stupid crap like the Kyoto accords that did NOTHING.

Hopefully a small group of science minded people come up with cleaner energy solution based in technology because most of the global warming believers are perhaps even bigger idiots than the deniers.
Conventional nuclear energy is no solution for the future. Too risky, too much toxic waste, etc.

Fusion might be a solution, but they have been working on that forever now and it still doesn't work.

There are easier ways to reduce greenhouse gases, like switching from cars to trains (which are much more efficient), switching to a vegetarian diet, buy few quality things instead of lots of crappy things that break soon (let's increase the minimum legal product warranty to, say, 10 years), stay at home instead of flying around the world, etc.

We need to downsize and become more altruistic.
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Old 07-30-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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As I said, you don't get it, but it doesn't matter because more and more people do. And within a few years the world will see a massive global movement enforcing changes to our life styles.
And the revolution will begin.
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Old 07-30-2019, 06:12 PM
 
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It’s an absolute hoax. People are still driving around in 7000 lbs trucks as family cars and gas is cheaper than ever.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:22 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Well there is your problem. If a private party owned the water supply they will price it according to scarcity.
You will call it gouging, I call it managing a resource responsibly or conservation.
No, demand price(t) = marginal cost of production(t) + user cost of capital + scarcity rent(t)

But the economic incentives to do this through competition on the supply side are very rare in water supply. However, many water regulatory agencies are turning to competitive pricing of water. Municipal water prices are going up as a result, but not as fast as they would otherwise due to greater water use efficiency on the demand side.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Private farmers?! There are no government farmers, at least not in SA.
If you pay a large portion of your profit to the government, as a tax, you're certainly PARTNERED with government, if not wholly subject to it.
If you must comply with excessive regulations or suffer punishment, even if there's no injured party, you're certainly not 'private' but publicly regulated.
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Old Yesterday, 10:59 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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If you pay a large portion of your profit to the government, as a tax, you're certainly PARTNERED with government, if not wholly subject to it.
If you must comply with excessive regulations or suffer punishment, even if there's no injured party, you're certainly not 'private' but publicly regulated.
According to that weird logic, basically every employee is a state-employee
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