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Old 09-21-2019, 06:54 PM
 
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A couple of points --

Guns --- ' Cuba is probably the easiest country in the Americas to get a legal gun permit, most Cunans with guns probly never bothered to get a permit.

Labor unions. Read about how labor unions were formed in the US, decades of armed warfare, violence, police brutality. Coal miners, lucky to live until 50, not unionize until my lifetime. Auto workers killed by police and troops. American unions didn't just waltz in like Walesa's Solidarnoscz in communist Poland. US capitalist princes used decades of unrestricted open military force to block labor unions.

One point: if you have to employ violence to push your ideology, both you and your ideology are evil.
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Old 09-21-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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One point: if you have to employ violence to push your ideology, both you and your ideology are evil.

There is no country that employs more violence to control its citizenry than the USA, given its highest incarceration rate in the world, all arrested by armed police using or threatening violence.

And, in the past 75 years, the USA has unleashed probably 90-95% of the world's firepower, in a violent effort to get the world to embrace its ideology abroad.

The USA has deputized its entire populace to carry lethal weapons and deploy violence as necessary if our ideology is threatened. The famous well-regulated militia.

The world's most evil people and ideology, by your definition.

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Old 09-21-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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There is no country that employs more violence to control its citizenry than the USA, given its highest incarceration rate in the world, all arrested by armed police using or threatening violence.

Yet people around the world want to come here. What are they, masochists or something?
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Old 09-21-2019, 10:09 PM
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Substitute "Christianity" for "Communism." We still have millions making up stories to explain how this two-thousand year old wreck of mythology and blood-stained history is really a good thing. Two thousand years of historical material to research and study, but I've never read anything that reasonably explains the attraction of its contradictions, etc.

I doubt that anyone is going to do better with the brief historical speck of Communism which is so near us that it is like a bit of dust in the eye in comparison to Christianity.
Except that Communism is responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people since the early 1900s and even at its worst Christianity did not kill that many, but when it did that was hundreds of years ago. Christianity is not the life and death threat it was in prior centuries, nor is it likely to be any time soon. Communism otoh is much more likely to be wielded in this century as a tool for mass murder yet again.
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Old 09-21-2019, 10:17 PM
 
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All have the same rights.
All work and are productive to society.
To each according to his needs and from each according to his capabilities.

This is the central tenant... from each...to each...


It all works on paper until the nasty side of human nature kicks in.


We're not really equal. Some are smarter but weaker, some are stronger yet dumber.


When anyone, ANYONE, figures that the next guy is not pulling his weight, slacking occurs. Eventually, the only ones not slacking are...gone.


Humans are not ants or bees. Humans will not work, collectively, for the good of the "village". It's a nice thought, in the world of collectivism, but it does not happen in reality.
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Old 09-21-2019, 10:28 PM
 
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Substitute "Christianity" for "Communism." We still have millions making up stories to explain how this two-thousand year old wreck of mythology and blood-stained history is really a good thing. Two thousand years of historical material to research and study, but I've never read anything that reasonably explains the attraction of its contradictions, etc.

I doubt that anyone is going to do better with the brief historical speck of Communism which is so near us that it is like a bit of dust in the eye in comparison to Christianity.

Christianity gives people a reason to not do evil. The promise of everlasting life gives people something to strive for. By defining sins, the religion outlines measures by which people can attempt to limit their behavior.



"Do not kill". "Do not commit adultery". "Do not steal". Do these things and believe in me, and I'll give you everlasting life.


Communism has no similar attraction.


It may be mythology to you, but belief in religion gives people a reason to suppress their instinct to act like an animal. Communism has no such impact.
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Old 09-21-2019, 11:42 PM
 
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Its been observed in nature that animals that tend to be highly social, also tend to share food. This behavior has been observed in: Lions, wolves, birds which reside in flocks, various primates, etc.
You think that Lions “share” food?” Do the lionesses that do most of the hunting bring back their kill and apportion it out amongst all members of the pride, making sure that each gets a fair share? Lol!! The biggest/strongest/most dominant eat on the kill until they are satiated, and then smaller/weaker members eat until the kill is entirely consumed, or they are pushed off by other predators.

Lon’s sharing food - hillarious!!

Now, why don’t you tell us how a wolf pack killed elk is “shared” by the pack. ROTFLMFAO!!!
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Old 09-21-2019, 11:56 PM
 
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A couple of points --

Guns --- ' Cuba is probably the easiest country in the Americas to get a legal gun permit, most Cunans with guns probly never bothered to get a permit.

Labor unions. Read about how labor unions were formed in the US, decades of armed warfare, violence, police brutality. Coal miners, lucky to live until 50, not unionize until my lifetime. Auto workers killed by police and troops. American unions didn't just waltz in like Walesa's Solidarnoscz in communist Poland. US capitalist princes used decades of unrestricted open military force to block labor unions.
Unless you consider the United States, where a “gun permit” isn’t even required in the vast majority of locations.
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Old 09-22-2019, 12:03 AM
 
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Compulsory charity and confiscation of surplus is what communism is all about.
It is collectivism. It is the denial of private property rights. It is the false belief that group slavery will remedy the ills of the human race.

And each time it has proven itself to be far worse than the problems it was supposed to address.

Worse, it is genocidal, as it substitutes trust in the State for one's security in old age, and collapsing once it runs out of other people's children to tax. The socialist tax burden certainly penalizes families and having children. It's no coincidence that the 'socialist paradises' share a huge drop in birth rates, rich or poor. And that bodes ill for the rising number of recipients / pensioners, versus the dwindling number of taxpayers. In a few more generations, they will have killed themselves off, and their replacements will rise in their place.
And they won't be communists.
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Old 09-22-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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There is no country that employs more violence to control its citizenry than the USA, given its highest incarceration rate in the world, all arrested by armed police using or threatening violence.

And, in the past 75 years, the USA has unleashed probably 90-95% of the world's firepower, in a violent effort to get the world to embrace its ideology abroad.

The USA has deputized its entire populace to carry lethal weapons and deploy violence as necessary if our ideology is threatened. The famous well-regulated militia.

The world's most evil people and ideology, by your definition.
Real life examples and human nature to educate the young and heal the sick is not enough for the fanatics who delude themselves in the fantasy of 'laissez fair' and 'everything runs on greed.'
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