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Old 05-06-2020, 09:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
They aren't.

Trump is more conservative than any of the opposing candidates. That's all I have to go on. You can tell me if I am wrong.
Is Trump really more conservative than Biden? I'm not so sure, actually.

What does Trump stand for? Big government spending and involuntary land seizures to artificially manipulate the US labor market through immigration restrictions - hardly a bastion of conservatism. What else are his core principles?

 
Old 05-06-2020, 09:46 AM
 
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i just watched the ad and, IMO, it's not effective. it's well put together and the message is clear but i don't think it will crack trump's supporters. to do that you'd need attack ads similar to trump's own. fire with fire. currently you're just preaching to the choir on both sides of the political spectrum.

that being said...... i find it absolutely comical that trump has given the ad infinitely more exposure by having a twitter-tantrum over it. if conway & co.'s goal were to sway some of those planning on voting for trump then it was a failure ( IMO ). if the goal was to provoke trump into doing something stupid...... then well played sir.
No ad is going to sway Trump supporters. Fighting fire with fire at this point means drumming up enough negative partisanship on the left and with independents to outvote Trump's fired-up but limited-ceiling base.
 
Old 05-06-2020, 09:46 AM
 
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Trump Death count keeps going up daily, the numbers don't lie! As of 5/6/20
U.S. Deaths Top 71,000, as Impact on Nursing Homes Mounts


TRUMPS RATINGS RACE SUNDAY:5/4/20

CBS '60 MINUTES' SCORES 9,108,000 VIEWERS

FOXNEWS TRUMP TOWN HALL 3,820,000...



Mourning in America (Donald Trump’s failed presidency has left the nation weaker, sicker, and teetering on the verge of a new Great Depression.)...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_yG_-K2MDo

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Old 05-06-2020, 12:01 PM
 
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From what I see in interviews George Conway and Rick Wilson, author of "Everything Trump Touches Dies" ARE Republicans and no, they don't necessarily want to see Biden in office. What I have seen of their explanation of why they founded the Lincoln Project is because they view Trump as a cancer on the Republican party--indicative of everything wrong with Republicansim today. They want the Republic party to get back to the era of Saint Reagan who they feel exemplified the very best traits Republican conservatism offered in days gone by.
Except Ronald Reagan, in the end, had dementia/Alzheimer’s just like Trump does! LOL.

The ad is great—gut wrenching. Rick Wilson said that the next ad will shake up Trump even more. Can’t wait!
 
Old 05-06-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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No ad is going to sway Trump supporters. Fighting fire with fire at this point means drumming up enough negative partisanship on the left and with independents to outvote Trump's fired-up but limited-ceiling base.
MAGA Hatters will never leave Trump. However, there are Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016 because they hated Hillary. They chose what they thought was the lesser of two evils. Many of them are rethinking that vote in light of Trump’s erratic, lackluster performance. So, besides Independents, those Republicans may vote Democratic in the Presidential election in November, or possibly not vote at all. A lot will depend upon how Trump performs between now and then.

The Lincoln Project ads may have a true impact, as they target what citizens are really concerned about—saving the America we all know and love.
 
Old 05-06-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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I'm not taking away anything he has done in the military.

But some of the things he did later in life were questionable at best. And some of the things his surrogates did were beyond questionable.
What was it that he/they did?
 
Old 05-06-2020, 12:57 PM
 
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i just watched the ad and, IMO, it's not effective. it's well put together and the message is clear but i don't think it will crack trump's supporters. to do that you'd need attack ads similar to trump's own. fire with fire. currently you're just preaching to the choir on both sides of the political spectrum.


that being said...... i find it absolutely comical that trump has given the ad infinitely more exposure by having a twitter-tantrum over it. if conway & co.'s goal were to sway some of those planning on voting for trump then it was a failure ( IMO ). if the goal was to provoke trump into doing something stupid...... then well played sir.

Lincoln Project is currently making another ad that Rick Wilson says is going to be even more devastating than this one. "If this one angered him, he's going to go ballistic when he sees the next one." Wilson chortled. I think their plan is to saturate the networks with all these ads 2 months before November for maximum effect.
 
Old 05-06-2020, 01:00 PM
 
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MAGA Hatters will never leave Trump. However, there are Republicans who voted for Trump in 2016 because they hated Hillary. They chose what they thought was the lesser of two evils. Many of them are rethinking that vote in light of Trump’s erratic, lackluster performance. So, besides Independents, those Republicans may vote Democratic in the Presidential election in November, or possibly not vote at all. A lot will depend upon how Trump performs between now and then.

The Lincoln Project ads may have a true impact, as they target what citizens are really concerned about—saving the America we all know and love.
The only way to get rid of the Trump is to make him say his full name backwards...
 
Old 05-06-2020, 02:13 PM
 
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Nothing - absolutely nothing - has been right since Trump took office.

Tariffs totally destablized the stock market, not to mention done extreme harm to our farmers and food exporters - who are now in even MORE trouble because of CV.

As if that wasn't bad enough, so-called irresponsible and unnecessary tax cuts ballooned deficit/debt

- and now on top of that country is printing money like there is no tomorrow

- and on top of that country is facing an economy and tax revenues which will be in the ditch for years because of the virus

- which virus, if he wasn't so averse to hearing bad news, his administration might have been better able to defend against earlier.

So, not only has he bankrupted the farmers in this country, he's bankrupted the country itself.

At the very least, had he not instituted tariffs and the tax-cut boondoggle, we would have been in a much better position to weather what will be tantamount to, at the very LEAST, the Great Recession. Some say we are looking at a Depression.

Trump does, indeed, destabilize and kill whatever he touches.

I haven't had a decent night's rest since he's been elected.



Wow. Maybe you should seek some therapy to help your sleeplessness. Your points are skewed. The stock market was performing at record levels before Covid. Farmers are on both sides of the aisle. Some felt harmed, some did not. Read about their opinions on tariffs and learn.



If you believe any democrat would have not made similar decisions about "printing money," got news for ya. History proves otherwise. So blame one man? Not so fast.


As for the virus, democrats did nothing. They were too intent on impeachment and did nothing. They accused him of racism when blocking China flights. China knew about person-to-person transmission, prohibited travel in and out of Wuhan but infected the entire world by not blocking international travel. During this time, they collected PPE from all nations they could, to protect themselves. What they did stinks to high heaven.



Of course anything positive will be ignored, that's the typical MO.



Here's a list for you by a center-right organization on this guy, until the pandemic from China hit.



* Jobs – The stunning recent news on employment proves, more than any other metric, the efficacy of President Trump’s growth doctrine of economic nationalism and the diffusion of power. Defying globalist skeptics from Wall Street, academia, and the corporate media, payrolls surged in America in 2019.


* Broadening the Movement – 2019 represented a seminal breakout year for the America First movement as the Republican Party changes to a workers’ party. This new focus translates, already, into significant signs of ethnic, racial, and geographic diversity for the GOP. For example, a recent CNN poll in deeply blue California reported 32% minority support for Trump vs. current Democratic front-runner Joe Biden. Similarly, recent polls by The Hill and Emerson show Latino approval for the president at nearly 40%.


* Confronting China – Though a near-term détente in trade tensions was reached, Trump proved to the world in 2019 that tariffs can be effectively deployed to force the Chinese Communist Party into a bargaining posture. The soaring economy in America demonstrated that tough trade policy can indeed coincide with growth.


* Trade Deals With Allies – In contrast to the mostly contentious trade chess match with Beijing, Trump proved that America First hardly means America alone. The USMCA was finally ratified by the House of Representatives this year and points to a new era of prosperity with our neighbors as the global supply chain reorients from the Far East back to the Americas. Similarly, a breakthrough agreement was signed with Japan and the new U.S.-Korea trade pact took effect in early 2019.


* Judges – While Nancy Pelosi dithers and corporate media obsess over the sham impeachment inquest, President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mitchell quietly pile up a historic pace of judicial confirmations. Trump in 2019 secured his 50th federal appeals court judge in only three years, compared to just 55 for President Obama over eight years. Over the long term, remaking the federal judiciary into an originalist, constitutionalist branch of government may create Trump’s most enduring legacy.


There's more.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...9_142047.html#!
 
Old 05-06-2020, 03:03 PM
 
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Oh sure, Judges: Mitch got a whole bunch of RIGHT WING, INEXPERIENCED judges in place. So we will have these misfits in place for 50 years. Typical Trump errors.

You brag about Jobs. LOL! Sooo many jobs have been lost during this pandemic, and they will never come back.
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