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Old 05-19-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.
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The conspiracy stories have been debunked many years ago by a myriad of reliable sources. To even continue the conversation is somewhat a waste of time.
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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The conspiracy stories have been debunked many years ago by a myriad of reliable sources. To even continue the conversation is somewhat a waste of time.
Yes, feeble debunking for the gullible.
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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BTW - Who was in charge of building security in the months prior?
PANYNJ was in charge of security..and EJ eclectric was the contractor for all the electronic security...and otis elevator had the elevator contract

http://www.ej1899.com/highrise_commercial.htm

btw..if you are looking to use the 'marvin bush' lie..that was debunked a decade ago

marvin bush was a STOCKHOLDer and vp of secureteccom who got the contract after the 93 bombing...they LOST the contract in 1998

nice try though
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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PANYNJ was in charge of security..and EJ eclectric was the contractor for all the electronic security

btw..if you are looking to use the 'marvin bush' lie..that was debunked a decade ago

marvin bush was a STOCKHOLDer and vp of secureteccom who got the contract after the 93 bombing...they LOST the contract in 1998

nice try though
A important project could be very sophisticated, carried out by intelligence. That means not too many blue collars participated.
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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you would lose that bet

that building was open 24/7 to WORLD WIDE financial companies

I was at a wine tasting party on the Saturday night before 9/11 at WoW..till midnight
"Scott Forbes, a British IT worker on the 97th floor of the south tower, talks about a "power down" of the upper 50% of the south tower floors on September 8th and 9th, 2001. In addition, he speaks of scores of workers in overalls and without ID badges during the power down. Employees were notified that "internet cables were being upgraded"."

"City Carpet and Upholstery Cleaning has a cleaning contract with New York's MTA as well as the Israeli and Iraqi consulates and other sensitive government connected agencies. Why is Suter, an ex-terror suspect, connected to a business in the US that employ Israeli illegals in sensitive areas?
In 2008, Suter registered a business in upstate NY called 24/7 Anyday LLC. This was simultaneously listed as a carpet cleaning company and a locksmith, in spite of the fact that the "office" was nothing more than a UPS mail drop. Could 24/7 Anyday be a smug reference to a future terror attack, akin to wife Ornit Suter's revenge rant?"

From Union to Scab Labor at the World Trade Center - 9-11's Missing Link? | Wake Up From Your Slumber
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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"Scott Forbes, a British IT worker on the 97th floor of the south tower, talks about a "power down" of the upper 50% of the south tower floors on September 8th and 9th, 2001. In addition, he speaks of scores of workers in overalls and without ID badges during the power down. Employees were notified that "internet cables were being upgraded"."

"City Carpet and Upholstery Cleaning has a cleaning contract with New York's MTA as well as the Israeli and Iraqi consulates and other sensitive government connected agencies. Why is Suter, an ex-terror suspect, connected to a business in the US that employ Israeli illegals in sensitive areas?
In 2008, Suter registered a business in upstate NY called 24/7 Anyday LLC. This was simultaneously listed as a carpet cleaning company and a locksmith, in spite of the fact that the "office" was nothing more than a UPS mail drop. Could 24/7 Anyday be a smug reference to a future terror attack, akin to wife Ornit Suter's revenge rant?"

From Union to Scab Labor at the World Trade Center - 9-11's Missing Link? | Wake Up From Your Slumber
uhm

forbes was debunked years ago..it was a NETWORK power down on HIS floor

1. one weekend wouldnt be enough to wire 1 floor let alone 267 floors

2. Wow was open during this alledge power down

3. the observation deck was open too

4. there was a CONCERT in the plaza below the towers.. poeple would have noticed if half the towers were blacked out((( there was a public free outdoor festival at 7:00 pm on 9/8/2001 in the World Trade Center Plaza between the two buildings (New York Times, September 7, 2001, E-3), featuring the Twyla Tharp dance troupe. So if there was a power down and massive preparation for building demolition, it would've been in the midst of this public event.)))

5 the company forbes allegedly worked for..doesnt even know who he is....hmmm

6. and yet only ONE PERSON ..forbes..has said of this alledged powerdown...hmmm
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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uhm

forbes was debunked years ago..it was a NETWORK power down on HIS floor

1. one weekend wouldnt be enough to wire 1 floor let alone 267 floors

2. Wow was open during this alledge power down

3. the observation deck was open too

4. there was a CONCERT in the plaza below the towers.. poeple would have noticed if half the towers were blacked out((( there was a public free outdoor festival at 7:00 pm on 9/8/2001 in the World Trade Center Plaza between the two buildings (New York Times, September 7, 2001, E-3), featuring the Twyla Tharp dance troupe. So if there was a power down and massive preparation for building demolition, it would've been in the midst of this public event.)))

5 the company forbes allegedly worked for..doesnt even know who he is....hmmm

6. and yet only ONE PERSON ..forbes..has said of this alledged powerdown...hmmm
Are you a union Luddite?
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Old 05-19-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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I've heard this all before. What reason would our government have in destroying the twin towers? and How do you know two of the pillars had minor damage? and we dont know what kind of weapons the terrorists had, nor did we know how long they were planning this, for all we know, they could have planted a lot of bombs in that time, finally, after events like this people may think they heard something that they didnt.
What reasons? Are you serious? You cannot be serious.

Let's see .... the NY Port Authority (government) owned the buildings and property .... the buildings were filled with asbestos, and an EPA mandate for remediation, the costs of which were astronomical. The buildings themselves were big money losers while being situated on premium real estate, and because of the asbestos ... could not be demolished in a conventional manner ... necessitating a deconstruction rather than demolition ... estimated to cost Billions.

In light of these issues ... the NY Port Authority was still able to find a willing party to sign a 99 year lease on such an albatross? Given that real estate moguls like Silverstein are rarely idiots who walk into total bust deals like this blindly, he had to know what he was getting into ... and one would assume he must have recognized some advantageous financial potential, else he wouldn't have done it. Low and behold, less than 90 days later, in an apparent case of blind luck, or coincidental good fortune, terrorists helped him parlay a 100 Million investment into a 5 Billion bonus .... compliments of Osama Bin Laden and his merry band wielding box cutters? Come on now .... and this is just the beginning of this tall tale.

Factor in the inbuilt pretext for two wars and Trillions in war profits and nationwide security clamp downs .. the creation of a new super government agency called "Homeland Security" .....

What reasons indeed.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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What reasons? Are you serious? You cannot be serious.

Let's see .... the NY Port Authority (government) owned the buildings and property .... the buildings were filled with asbestos, and an EPA mandate for remediation, the costs of which were astronomical. The buildings themselves were big money losers while being situated on premium real estate, and because of the asbestos ... could not be demolished in a conventional manner ... necessitating a deconstruction rather than demolition ... estimated to cost Billions.

In light of these issues ... the NY Port Authority was still able to find a willing party to sign a 99 year lease on such an albatross? Given that real estate moguls like Silverstein are rarely idiots who walk into total bust deals like this blindly, he had to know what he was getting into ... and one would assume he must have recognized some advantageous financial potential, else he wouldn't have done it. Low and behold, less than 90 days later, in an apparent case of blind luck, or coincidental good fortune, terrorists helped him parlay a 100 Million investment into a 5 Billion bonus .... compliments of Osama Bin Laden and his merry band wielding box cutters? Come on now .... and this is just the beginning of this tall tale.

Factor in the inbuilt pretext for two wars and Trillions in war profits and nationwide security clamp downs .. the creation of a new super government agency called "Homeland Security" .....

What reasons indeed.
wrong, wrong and wrong

the asbestos was hiden..didnt have to come out
the process would have cost less than 2 million

the complex to include the towers was nearly full...making money

and as far as the PANYNJ having trouble getting the towers leased...bull..there was a bidding war. in which silverstein was losing

silverstein LOST money on this deal
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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I've heard this all before. What reason would our government have in destroying the twin towers? and How do you know two of the pillars had minor damage? and we dont know what kind of weapons the terrorists had, nor did we know how long they were planning this, for all we know, they could have planted a lot of bombs in that time, finally, after events like this people may think they heard something that they didnt.
Osama, Ohama, Obama.

It was all God's doing.
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