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View Poll Results: Do Euro-Californians need a specialized housing program to offset the decline?
Yes 15 28.85%
Just build for housing 3 5.77%
No handouts period 27 51.92%
Other or unsure 7 13.46%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-07-2022, 02:25 PM
 
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No, they don't deserve anything.
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Old 02-07-2022, 04:57 PM
 
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No, they don't deserve anything.

How would it sound if someone said "Blacks don't deserve anything?"
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Old 02-08-2022, 07:31 AM
 
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Where did you get that data? It is way off.

Native Americans in California

"0.8% Native American and Alaskan Native, 0.4% Pacific Islander and 5.1% from two or more races."

"As of 2010, California's Native American population of 362,801 was the most of any state.[51] It also has the most Native American tribes, indigenous to the state or not, but the majority of known Californian Indian tribes became extinct in the late 19th century. The U.S. Census includes Latin American Indian, especially immigrants who belonged to indigenous peoples or who have Amerindian heritage from North and South America."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...tive_Americans
[quote=Dave Coe;62852823]Where did you get that data? It is way off.



Wikipedia is not an academic verified source.

Yet Indian Tribes and Tribal Communities in California states there are ow many Native Americans reside in California?
California has the highest Native American population in the country. According
to the 2010 U.S. Census, California represents 12 percent of the total Native
American population (approximately 720,000) identified themselves as Native
American. Over one-half of the state’s Native American population is composed
of individuals (and now their descendents) who were relocated to large urban
areas as part of the federal government’s termination polic

More than 630,000 people who identify as American Indian and Alaska Native live in California, a nearly 74% increase from the official figure reported a decade ago, according to new 2020 data released by the U.S. Census Bureau last week.

Zoom out wider to include American Indians alone or in combination with another race, and that number grows to about 1.4 million people: a 94.9% increase since 2010. This second, broader group now makes up 3.6% of all Californians, in comparison to 1.9% ten years ago. https://www.desertsun.com/story/news...te/8151037002/

Yes you are advocating white rights, however being White still has its advantages in the USA, and they don't have the poverty rates of other minorities. An good example is a Native American tribe who has massive poverty and social problems. Here is a clip of it. If a White community was like that, it will be front page newspaper, and appeals to save the white children there. Yet because it is a native American community, it is largely got unnoticed in mainstream America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqr9xsUn-ks&t=397s
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Old 02-08-2022, 10:44 AM
 
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Where did you get that data? It is way off.



Wikipedia is not an academic verified source.

Yet Indian Tribes and Tribal Communities in California states there are ow many Native Americans reside in California?
California has the highest Native American population in the country. According
to the 2010 U.S. Census, California represents 12 percent of the total Native
American population (approximately 720,000) identified themselves as Native
American. Over one-half of the state’s Native American population is composed
of individuals (and now their descendents) who were relocated to large urban
areas as part of the federal government’s termination polic

More than 630,000 people who identify as American Indian and Alaska Native live in California, a nearly 74% increase from the official figure reported a decade ago, according to new 2020 data released by the U.S. Census Bureau last week.

Zoom out wider to include American Indians alone or in combination with another race, and that number grows to about 1.4 million people: a 94.9% increase since 2010. This second, broader group now makes up 3.6% of all Californians, in comparison to 1.9% ten years ago. https://www.desertsun.com/story/news...te/8151037002/

Yes you are advocating white rights, however being White still has its advantages in the USA, and they don't have the poverty rates of other minorities. An good example is a Native American tribe who has massive poverty and social problems. Here is a clip of it. If a White community was like that, it will be front page newspaper, and appeals to save the white children there. Yet because it is a native American community, it is largely got unnoticed in mainstream America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqr9xsUn-ks&t=397s

How do you explain the increase?


A change in classification or self-identification or did they count Amerindians from Central America to booster the indigenous category.
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Old 02-08-2022, 10:45 AM
 
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Probably just as ridiculous as "Euro-Californians."


Why not both as Centrists advocate for?


"A specialization based approach to the economy, education, and race relations could include tailored platinum plans for White Americans, African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos, and Asians. This would also be a better ways to manage the problems of a hyper competitive mass society, including issues of Elite Overproduction."



The Radical Center’s Psychosocial approach to Race Relations:




https://robertstark.substack.com/p/t...s-psychosocial
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Old 02-08-2022, 11:03 AM
 
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Why not both as Centrists advocate for?


"A specialization based approach to the economy, education, and race relations could include tailored platinum plans for White Americans, African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos, and Asians. This would also be a better ways to manage the problems of a hyper competitive mass society, including issues of Elite Overproduction."



The Radical Center’s Psychosocial approach to Race Relations:




https://robertstark.substack.com/p/t...s-psychosocial
Radical Center is an oxymoron

Aside from that, can you put this in your own words please. I find Robert Stark's writing to be nearly incomprehensible. Perhaps you can translate for us.

E.g., what is a "tailored platinum plan?" And who decides what should be included in each group's plan?

What is Elite Overproduction? Is that too many Elite people? Or elites who are producing too much goods and services ???
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Old 02-08-2022, 04:03 PM
 
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How do you explain the increase?


A change in classification or self-identification or did they count Amerindians from Central America to booster the indigenous category.
Well I don't live in the USA but Australia. The Aborigines had a similar fate for the natives. When I was growing up I was told the Aboriginals in places such as Tasmania were wiped out when the Europeans came to settle. Yet this is not the full story. It is true all full blood Aboriginals were wiped out, but the mixed race Aboriginals were not. Now Tasmania has a percentage of 4.5 % Aboriginials and a huge increase in previous census. Many years ago it was stated there was none. Besides Tasmania has had very low immigration rates for the last hundred years, and the bulk of immigration was during colonial times. There was a time where being labelled an Aboriginal was considered stigma and for many people with Aboriginal backgrounds they were ashamed to state they were Aboriginals, especially during the the past. Besides so many Aboriginals in the past were taken from their parents and raised in orphanges and by white foster parents.


Even in my area I was told by some white Australians that the Aboriginals in my area were wiped out, yet that is false as I have encountered Aboriginals native to my area. They would be p*** off if a White person stated the Aboriginals were all wiped out in the area.

Plus there was assumptions if you are not full blood Aboriginal you are not a true Aboriginal. I believe it was similar to the USA too at a time.

Also many Americans who are passing as white are identifiting as Native American.

Canada has had a similar experience:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ion-in-canada/
“Registered Indian population in Canada 2000-2019”
☼ 2000: 675,499
☼ 2019: 1,008,955 (up 49.3%)

An increase of nearly half in less than less than two decades. A lot of “Portuguese” great grandmothers in old family photos are now revealed to actually have been Indian Princesses. The transformation comes with various tax advantages; better access to advanced education; vaccination priority; etc.

In California the Native Americans, and the children forced from their parents, and their native American identity largely suppressed. It the same case as the fate of Aboriginals at that time in Australia.

Yet today there is pride identifying as an Aboriginal in Australia. I believe it the same as pride identifying as Native American in the USA.

A problem is though how many people identify themselves as Aboriginal. "There are a large number of people who don't answer the Indigenous question in the Census," explains Patrick Corr, Director of Demography with the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS). [5]

It is not unusual for people to identify, de-identify, or re-identify as Aboriginal on official documents such as the Census, making the job hard for statisticians. This phenomenon is also common in Canada, where it explains partially why its Aboriginal population grows up to four times faster than its non-Aboriginal population. [6]

"We have approximately 1.1 million people whose Indigenous status we don't know, so we have made some assumptions," concedes Corr. This uncertainty lets the ABS tag some figures as 'experimental estimates'.

https://www.creativespirits.info/abo...n-in-australia

In the USA the Taffy Abel: ‘The First" Native American in the Winter Olympics -1924 had to pass as White to get accepted into the Olympics. Taffy had to live in two worlds. To get into the Olympics and the NHL he had to pass as coming from the White world. However, his family and I always considered him from the Native world. Many African Americans used racial passing to escape slavery. Taffy embraced ‘public passing’ as a white as a means of economic and moral self-preservation.

I am sure many, many Native Americans in the past embraced "public passing" as a white as a means of economic and moral self-preservation. Yet society has changed and 'public passing' is no longer a stigma and many Americans who never knew about their native American heritiage are embracing it and now identify as Native American.

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Old 02-09-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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Radical Center is an oxymoron

Aside from that, can you put this in your own words please. I find Robert Stark's writing to be nearly incomprehensible. Perhaps you can translate for us.

E.g., what is a "tailored platinum plan?" And who decides what should be included in each group's plan?

What is Elite Overproduction? Is that too many Elite people? Or elites who are producing too much goods and services ???


How is Radical Center an oxymoron? It takes the best of the left and the right to challenge the establishment? Elite over production was coined by Peter Turchin, not Robert Stark.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_overproduction
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Old 02-09-2022, 12:09 PM
 
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Joakim Andersen: Robert Stark and the Radical Center:



"He has written intelligently about everything from citizen pay and enclavism to anti-white xenophobia and California independence policy."

"Here, too, he hopes for opportunities for new alliances " between the pro-diversity and inclusion woke left and the anti-great replacement identarian right against the existing establishment in California."



https://robertstark.substack.com/p/j...bert-stark-and
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Old 07-14-2022, 02:23 PM
 
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"For the second year in a row, Latinx students are the largest group of students in the system. Asian Americans are next at 34 percent. White students make up 20 percent of the system. (According to the Census Bureau, the Black population of California is 6.5 percent, Latinx is 39.4 percent, Asian 15.5 percent and white, non-Hispanic is 36.5 percent.)"

"In fact it led to small declines for white and Asian applicants who were admitted. Asian American admits fell from 35 percent to 34 percent, and white admittees fell from 21 percent to 20 percent. "



U of California Gets More Diverse Without SATs
University had earlier announced record-breaking number of applicants. It also has a record in admitted students from racial and ethnic minority groups.




https://www.insidehighered.com/admis...s-without-sats
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